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Agree - I'm still using my 13" Mid 2009 Macbook - it has everything on it that I need, I got offered a latest Macbook from work, had to turn it down. That weird bar at the top, a keyboard that just feels horrible to type on, and a shiny screen that is just not for me.

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Of course this is a matter of taste, but I seriously don't get the hate for the new keyboard. It took me two days to get used to it. The one thing I concede is, that it is loud.

It's super clacky, there's no key travel, and it's hard to blindly feel the edges of the keys. There's also no escape key.

The key travel is very important. When you can type 140+ Words per minute key travel becomes important to stop rsi in the wrist.

Sounds like my old Atari 400, except it did have Esc.

The 2018 keyboard is much less clacky than the 2016 one but the travel is the same. I’m glad most of my typing is on an external keyboard anyway.

I don’t have a problem with Esc being on the Touch Bar because it’s the leftmost target and nothing is that close to it. Maybe I’d feel differently if I was a regular vi user.

For me, there was a huge difference between generations of the butterfly switches.

The first gen felt like typing on a flat surface for me, whereas the newer ones feel really nice to type on.

I liked it well enough until keycaps started sticking to my fingers and falling out while I was typing. I think the overheating weakens the tiny and fragile plastic hooks. Also, some keys get stuck or repeat letters but I got used to it.

If it is a 200€ laptop, I might be okay with this. But paying 2800€ (15" model, least expensive configuration) and then not being able to work because the keyboard falls apart … unforgivable. Let’s hope Apple introduces a more reliable Pro laptop next year. Until then I have to plug along on my 2014 model.

I use my work supplied brand new MBP as a glorified desktop Mac Mini attached to a 4k 32" monitor.

Get a 2015 macbook pro. That's the highest spec macbook without the things that would annoy you.

Assuming you were offered a MacBook (as in, non pro), you made a great choice. The dongle life is grim and even with the right ones (good luck there) you get stuck. Yuck.

The MB12 has no touchbar.

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> That weird bar at the top, a keyboard that just feels horrible to type on, and a shiny screen that is just not for me.

There is no touchbar on MB, so they could not been offered that.

Ahh, thanks. I thought you were correcting me, not offering an alternative.

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