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People have been trying for years to undo this damage, Deming, Ohno etc. nowadays it’s probably mostly the agile community leading the way but I feel the curve is trending downwards. Most people here hate agile especially the fluffy cultural bits, and crave the pressure of a Silicon Valley startup.

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> Most people here hate agile especially the fluffy cultural bits, and crave the pressure of a Silicon Valley startup.

That last bit seems like you may be extrapolating from a very small sample size. Hating on some of the Agile culture, sure, but are there really that many people wanting more stress? Most of the Agile reaction I’ve seen seems like the opposite direction with people wanting to improve work-life balance, or drop the parts of consultant-driven Agile which are just adding ceremony without benefit.

A lot of the complaints on Agile are on its use as a system to micromanage. My experiences with Agile involve it being applied to a subset of the organization and in a limited fashion, for example only having standups and no planning meetings.

I think there’s also a good argument that much of what’s termed Agile, especially the annoying parts, really isn’t. For example, the importance of teams choosing how to work rather than having dogma forced on them:

https://martinfowler.com/articles/agile-aus-2018.html

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