Hacker News Reader

Comment by poulsbohemian | Hacker News Reader

I have to wonder - isn't the response to this kind of ridiculousness to simply not post on YouTube, for example: http://allofbach.com/en/ ? Yes it's not going to get you the audience YouTube might, but if their platform isn't serving legitimate artists then what good is it anyway?

View on HN

> I have to wonder - isn't the response to this kind of ridiculousness to simply not post on YouTube

Apparently not. From the article:

In one week, the European Parliament will vote on a proposal to force all online services to implement Content ID-style censorship, but not just for videos -- for audio, text, stills, code, everything.

Well, then. We need online services that can't be coerced.

https://datproject.org/

https://w3c-ccg.github.io/did-spec/

https://ipfs.io/

I wonder if these might help.

Cool, thanks :)

Bittorrent with streaming interface actually works pretty well.

Edit: Re Dat, this is interesting, and promising: https://blog.datproject.org/2017/12/10/dont-ship/

Nice find, they seem true to their ideals based on that article.

This is also interesting, cool demo of streaming video browser to browser:

https://webtorrent.io/

That's cool. But I generally block WebRTC, as a privacy threat. But maybe it'd be OK, in a dedicated VM.

At some level, isn't webtorrent a privacy issue? You're broadcasting, "Hey, I'm viewing $FOO! Anyone wanna give me pieces of it?"

That's part of it. And more generally with WebRTC, peers know whatever you're doing together. And that's an issue with all P2P stuff that doesn't use overlay networks to proxy connections.

So what I should have said was that it's OK in a VM that reaches the Internet through a nested VPN chain, or whatever, so your ISP-assigned IP address isn't trivially discoverable.

Decentralised platforms are the future. A couple that comes to mind:

- https://steemit.com - https://dlive.io

Both censorship resistance and decentralised options. Content can't be deleted because it exists on a blockchain and it's fast.

Is Steemit decentralized? It just looks like a website to me.

And DLive is just a blank page for me. In Firefox, with WebRTC and a bunch of other stuff blocked.

That's... interesting... given that as far as I know the technologies Google uses in this space are proprietary. Even if "all online services" could possibly implement such a system, it's likely they could only do so by committing copyright or patent infringement, if not both.

I simply don't understand how this isn't ordering the impossible.

"force all* online services"

* size requirements apply. Also, if you publish on your very own website that point becomes moot, too.

Eyeballs, basically. The eyeballs are on YouTube already, so if you want an audience and you're off YouTube, you're fighting an uphill battle.

But classical music, sad to say, largely is a niche pursuit. Niche content can always find a home somewhere and users will seek it out.

And I haven't followed the news closely, but if the EU is indeed going to mandate Content-ID style systems, theoretically these niche sites that don't have one will be under some level of legal and regulatory exposure? Not quite sure how any of that would work in practice.

YouTube is probably most afraid of Twitch. I’d stream/post there instead and see what happens.

It's not like just anyone can put a video on AllOfBach. That site is entirely the Netherlands Bach Society's project.

If you're saying everyone should make their own AllOfBach... the website clearly has taken tons of development effort, its first iteration was unusably difficult to navigate, it's still not great at accessibility, and if I wanted a portable version of their recordings I have even fewer options than I would with YouTube.

I'm glad AllOfBach exists but there's a reason people want to stick to the music services they are already familiar with.

Yes I’m saying that when you play in a walled garden, you should expect trouble whereas if you publish in your own (ie the whole original point of this www thing) then you play as an equal partner.

If someone tells me "Bach #xyz is amazing, you have to hear it", I'm going to type it into youtube to listen to it.

I'm not going to search for it elsewhere because it's not a core interest of mine.

Devoted fans will find content anywhere, but casual viewers will just look in the default spot.

Maybe it is a generational thing, as I’ve always and continue to find YouTube nothing more than a cesspool and i would never think to go there first for something

I don't know what generation you are from, but I don't see how that makes any difference.

Youtube is an everything-pool. It has garbage, it has wonderful. Generalizing about a site that large is foolish.

You may want to Google "Sturgeon's law".

Reply on news.ycombinator.com