> Addenda (relevant to community musings today): [...] Awful and abusive people exist in the community
Are you referring to people saying negative things about Learn You A Haskell?
Are you referring to people saying negative things about Learn You A Haskell?
Scala's community essentially began to adopt a thinly-coded code of conduct that said, "Don't be like Tony Morris he literally runs people out of the scala community" it got so bad. He continues to be unrepentant and uses his influence to fan a slow but very distressing conflict between the Cabal community and the Stack developer community.
As for LYAH, it's a decent book. It's got its problems (in some cases it does obnoxious and useless things like make fun of overweight people).
What's his (Tony Morris') point? Is he putting on a show or is that for real?
He blocked me when he read my prior comment.
And not that it excuses his behavior, but I also seem to recall Tony suffering from some very severe back injuries accompanied by chronic pain.
(Not to white knight a person I'm barely aware of but your description seems pretty one-sided based on what I've seen)
This idea of a hostile takeover and such is a figment of Tony's imagination and a deliberate distraction equivalent to Trump's referring to the Mueller investigation as a witch hunt.
Most folks agree that Tony should be off the project. The problem of one overzealous person trying to get Tony to shut up is a separate and regrettable decision on his part. CoCs act to protect people from behavior like Tony's, not to be a cudgel. AFAIK, it's faced subsequent edits to improve that.
It's unfortunate that Tony's become so incapable of modulating his behavior in public that he forces these issues. It's doubly regrettable that folks associated with the same projects he has contributed to could not handle the unusual situation with more grace and poise.
Not that I agree with this narrative, because AFAICT it wasn't true, but even if it were? Good. That's the power and mechanism open source working as intended. If you're a burden to the project, you're cast off. And Tony is an insufferable burden. The code is free, and owned by the group.
The fact that he expected "ownership" of a project set up with a leadership committee is a good example of the kind of silly behavior I'm talking about.
> And not that it excuses his behavior, but I also seem to recall Tony suffering from some very severe back injuries accompanied by chronic pain.
I was around for two public declarations of dramatic self harm. I'm told there are more. And I hope he finds a way to deal with these problems, they're serious and can be life threatening. I don't wish violence on him.
But I want him to stop making communities worse with his senseless negativity and hostile communications. If he has problems in his life that impair his ability to interact in this fashion, we should not enable his abusive behavior out of charity. That's actually disrespectful, and while it may benefit Tony in the short term, in the long term he finds himself forced out of communities that no longer can or will bear the weight of his presence.
> your description seems pretty one-sided based on what I've seen
It's certainly one sided: it's my side. I for one ran into him a lot. It seems like he took special delight in demanding I take his impromptu "quizzes" in Scala and he'd hound me ceaselessly until I did. His ultimate goal was to prove I was "not a functional programmer." He's been cut off by a lot of longtime members of the FP community for a reason.
Thanks for sharing your unfortunate experience, and I agree that health problems or things like that should not be an excuse to behave poorly. Take care.