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And I think the California government and many of its supposedly liberal citizens could do more as well. "Screw you, I got mine" applies to both sides.
Even better, we as a nation should be implementing all those and not just leaving it up to wealthy states.
Maybe don't accuse people of making strawman arguments when they merely repeated well known facts, then. That's not civil either.
More importantly, please stop posting flamebait to HN threads.