Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas
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A lot of underrepresented people know that generic invitations don't really mean they are also invited. It's really only open to the existing in-crowd. As a woman who gets a lot of reactions that suggest to me that women are not supposed to so much as initiate conversations with men, I can kind of understand the logic here.
Having been burned by an extremely toxic classist group where, no, the rules absolutely are not the same for "the wrong kind of people" -- by which we mean poor people (in this case, though they also do really shitty things to anyone who can't somehow establish in-group standing) -- I can understand why a lot of members of underprivileged groups err on the side of "They don't really mean me when they say anyone/everyone."
My mind doesn't work that way. I generally take folks at their word, even when I know they may not really mean it -- and recently got banned from a forum for doing so because they were full of shit and didn't mean any of the high minded BS that came out of their lying mouths. I'm willing to live with that.
But I'm also very well aware that if you get that result often enough, shunning can mean you de facto have no income at all, there is no place for you to go, etc. It can be essentially a death sentence, and I don't mean metaphorically. I mean literally.
I don't know what the fix is. I'm not really all that crazy about the framing of this promo. But my suspicion is that is the real impetus here -- to make sure women don't feel that the subtext is "Not really you, though we say anyone."
And, honestly, I don't have a better answer, so I'm not going to dog them for it.
This is kind of interesting and in stark contrast to much of the hacker mentality that doesn't really care "what they really mean" when "they" make rules. In fact, the hacker mentality is usually to twist interpretations and tease out any technical loophole. It goes along with "ask for forgiveness, not permission." Certainly, something to think about.
I guess it would be a bit less confusing if they'd just made the offer to folks that attended the events but it seems quite nice that they didn't.
But what is your explanation for them having an event specifically for female founders if not the logic I outlined above that some groups need to be clearly signaled that they are equally welcome too?
[0] https://stripe.com/blog/international-womens-day [1] https://www.missceo.org/aylin/
From your links:
[1] she saw firsthand the importance of fostering leadership skills and self-confidence for young women at an early age.
[0] We built Stripe Atlas to help entrepreneurs from all over the globe start and run an internet business, no matter which industry they're in, where they're based, or their gender or ethnicity. However, women are still not starting companies or raising money at nearly the same rate as men—women made up only 7% of founders whose companies received more than $20M in VC funding between 2009 and 2015.
Which fits with my description of recognizing a need to actively reach out to women because (reasons).
That in no way questions her genuine passion, etc.
I don't know if they are right or not, but it can be argued that to correct hundreds of years of negative discrimination you need some positive discrimination.
The way you choose to to the distinction might be unfair: you either put someone at a disadvantage, or give them an unfair advantage.
Most usage was focused on unfair disadvantage but it can be either really.
For example giving someone a free movie ticket doesn't mean that everybody else is penalized. They get to pay exactly what they were told and expected, and nothing changes their situation. But one person is subsidized, gets an advantage without it subtracting from the others. They all get to see the movie but one does so for free.
In a university admission exam giving one person an unfair advantage might mean that they get admitted instead of someone else. So someone has to lose for this person to win.
So the question becomes who much unfairness is now due to the past practices (the past negative discrimination of women), and can that be corrected through giving some kind of advantage to women?
Maybe the answer is that none at all, because people will just think that every women founder is just there because of the gratis advantage.
Or maybe it'll really help push a lot of women toward entrepreneurship and the market won't look at how they started.
I bet Stripe did a lot of discussion about this and they are at least somewhat better informed than us. (And since Atlas is available internationally it could help a lot of women to break out of their respective seemingly hopeless situation - 500 USD is worth a lot in quite a few places in the world.)
1) Children, particularly much younger ones, will remember less of the experience specifically. They're certainly likely to have an overall positive memory of the experience though.
2) If you're a family of 5 that's a lot of tickets. Making the children's tickets cheaper and the toddler's ticket free makes it much easier to go to the zoo on a budget. Children aren't going to the zoo by themselves but the zoo is likely not losing any revenue by discounting child tickets because they're able to get so many more families to come in the first place.
It’s easy to support such efforts until you’re the class discriminated against.
Fortunately I'm sure the people commenting here stand up to all discrimination and not just the things affect them.
Cuz I don't recall encountering any "men in tech" events, or investment funds that invest only in men, or efforts to encourage white boys to study computers.
> When do men unfairly benefit from things in the tech industry?
There's a systemic problem which benefits men over women, regardless of which industry. For example, men have a more positive sentiment for the same resume than women do: https://www.aauw.org/2015/06/11/john-or-jennifer/
Moreover, this sentiment might extend to women, as well, as reportedly 69% of women ask for less than their male counterpart for the same role https://hired.com/wage-inequality-report
> investment funds that invest only in men
I'd be surprised if most investment funds didn't invest in women, but this is a very surface-level view. You're ignoring privileges that a man would have over a woman in getting investments, such as: connections made through school, fraternities, or other networking phenomena; and men have a greater perceived ability (see the resume discrimination above).
> efforts to encourage white boys to study computers
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when...
> Can you show something specific, that isn't a strong assumption of invisible discrimination on the basis of statistically differing outcomes?
Statistically differing outcomes might make sense if we were talking about smaller differences, but--when 11% of executives are women, women are earning 1/4 of computer science degrees, and the declining rate of women working in tech has fallen--you notice a pattern of exclusion across the entire spectrum of experience levels.
This appears to be a strong assumption of the sort I asked to avoid. How do you know the reasons are historical and sociological and not simply that men like computers more?
You're ignoring privileges that a man would have over a woman in getting investments
But again, I asked for concrete discriminations not hypothetical "privileges" based on working backwards from unequal outcomes. You're speculating that "connections made through school" are important for men and not women, but that's nothing concrete and doesn't even make much sense - startup founders typically find VCs or the other way around the time they create a company and need money, and men and women are not segregated at universities. It's not like investors pick companies on the basis of being at the same college together. See the article yesterday about the flood of money from Softbank who have more or less single handedly killed any talk of a bubble pop.
Statistically differing outcomes might make sense if we were talking about smaller differences, but--when 11% of executives are women, women are earning 1/4 of computer science degrees, and the declining rate of women working in tech has fallen--you notice a pattern of exclusion across the entire spectrum of experience levels.
No. This is exactly the kind of argument I asked people to avoid - you are observing statistical trends and then assuming it must be caused by invisible discrimination. You can't point to any actual examples of companies stating they won't hire women or investors saying they won't invest in women, whereas I can do both these things for men. Instead you resort to strong assumptions of invisible discrimination you can't actually point to, based on observation of disparate outcomes.
Oh, and you can explain 11% of executives being women and women not going into tech very easily using ordinary and undisputed biology/psychology - men take more risks and women prefer working with people. These aren't even controversial aspects of biology: no "pattern of exclusion" required.
Ahh, your post history is illuminating and an interesting walk through the reactionary mind:
> Historically speaking fascists were hard left
> You know what Nazi stands for, don't you?
> Implying someone is racist when they've not said anything racist is unacceptable ad-hominem.
I don't think you're equipped to have this conversation.
There is no such thing as a "soft science problem" for which "hard-science demonstrations" are invalid. That's a separation you've made up on the spot.
What I'm asking for isn't even science, I'm not even asking for data. I'm asking for anecdotes! That should be easy! Just show a bunch of cases of companies explicitly refusing to hire women or refusing to promote women because of their gender. You don't even have to show that amounts to the entire cause of the disparity. That's an absurdly low bar.
Why are there no "men in tech" events? Why are no efforts made to encourage white guys to study compsci?
After all, if there's a genuine need for them, I would strongly expect them to exist.
For example, there are few events targeted at recruiting more boys to college, even though only 40% of college students are male; and few programs specifically targeted at helping homeless men even though most homeless people are adult men.
Contrast that to the PR value of program like this that's targeted at helping women.
But in other fields sometimes such events are organised, to encourage men into female-dominated jobs. Guess who comes out of the woodwork to attack them:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/08/sydne...
The University of Sydney is under fire for a new scholarship of nearly $30,000 that gives preference to male applicants, with the head of the scholarships office likening it to grants that “discriminate” against students who are not Aboriginal.
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“The way I think about it, affirmative action should only apply to people who have structural barriers to receiving an education – that’s what the exemption in discrimination law is about, so you can procure particular benefits for women in Stem [science, technology, engineering and mathematics], Aboriginal students and so on,” Grant said. “It’s not for further advantaging men. It’s really quite bizarre.”
some people and groups just want special treatment
I contacted the Stripe Atlas team about this offer and as they say, if they read the website, it refers to the offer is only for women (but it is not the case), the offer is open to any person / gender that wants take advantage of it, they only put "For women" to continue promoting in which more founders are united to the emprendimiento of this decade.
For example, I just got the offer as a man, they did not charge me the $ 500 fee, so I understand that everything is correct.
Do not take everything as literal, one thing is what the web says and another is what they really offer, anyone can be wrong.
Anyway, great move from Stripe. Seems that they want remove barriers for starting and running a company, which is good for the creation of wealth and jobs. Be it Stripe Atlas, the card business, Indiehackers or the publishing company. Al those newly founded companies are also target customers for Stripe. Which is completely ok and speaks of good common business sense!
Stripe Atlas waives the one-time $500 company formation fee for everyone.
Stripe could then generate back the $500 in credit card processing fees by bolstering those startups, which wouldn't have otherwise existed.
Edit: I see where the confusion is.
The title is: "Stripe for female founders has invited you to join Stripe Atlas."
That's the reason for the reaction.
However, at the bottom.
"Stripe Atlas will waive the one-time $500 company formation fee for anyone that uses the link below by October 15th."
I applaud this. The copy should have been read a bit more carefully!
Although this article has been flagged. I would welcome clarification by Stripe!
Image it like Norway allowing electric cars on bus lanes. It's a way to reach a goal and can be phased out once you have gotten close enough.
I ran into something similar when I applied for an editorial assistant at some entertainment blog in 2009 or so. This was based in San Francisco. The entire staff was women. I was told by some that they were eager to get a different perspective on the team. I did not get that job, but I felt like I was given some preference based on being a guy.
Men and women are employed in the same rate, with 85% of men working in gender segregated professions and 86% of women. As such it is rather simple math that is indeed supported by the actually numbers for each profession that about half of the professions are dominated by women and about half is dominated by men, with a small minority of 14.5% that has a minimum 40% men and women in them (The official minimum line for gender segregation).
You want a top 10 list? Last time I check the highest segregated profession was midwife at around 99.7% women to 0.3% men. Second highest is dentist nurse with 99.6% women. Third highest is stone brick layers with 99.4% men. Forth to ninth was all 99% and are listed as mechanics, tinsmith, carpenter, concrete construction worker, electrician, and plumber. Then its pediatric nurse at 98%. (2012 data)
If one goes by the 30 most common profession in Sweden (ie most employees per profession group), female dominated professions are 17/30, male dominated professions are 11/30, and equal is 2/30. In that list the top groups are truck driver, construction worker, secretary, mechanic and nurse. (2004 data)
Not sure how well google translate work but you can look at http://www.duochjobbet.se/nyhet/nio-av-tio-har-jobb-med-ojam... and http://www.scb.se/hitta-statistik/statistik-efter-amne/arbet...
Now if any of those professions have programs to address gender segregation is an other question, but since most of those have around 90-99% gender segregation one can guess that the efforts are not that effective if they exist.
Shouldn't we rise above and instead of helping minorities, just help/accept "everyone" already. A side benefit is to remind them that there is no such thing as "minority" and they are regular persons. And that no particular person no matter what his gender/color/religion is still a person and welcome.
And is it actually legal to give woman an unfair advantage? Or advertise capitalizing on it (I'm aware the offer is open to anyone).
"Stripe Atlas will waive the one-time $500 company formation fee for anyone that uses the link below by October 15th." - Not just females? Otherwise it could be considered discrimination.