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> Defcon is moving to Paris, Bally's, and Planet Hollywood next year, but those are all Caesar owned properties, so it doesn't address anything.

DEFCON was at Bally's and Paris for two or three years two or three years ago. The theory a few of us have is the Caesar's Palace people were looking for soldering equipment (that might damage their tables) and that Caesar's doesn't care as much if there is damage to their less prestigious properties.

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Strange theory, why not just charge people retroactively for the damage and then repair it? Is that not how hotels usually work?

The last time I went to Defcon, someone drove the security golf cart into the pool. Others were flushing bags of concrete down the toilet. There's damage, and then there is Defcon.

Why the hell do people act like that at the conference? That sounds like children running amok, not a security conference.

The age requirement for Defcon is 18. There is also a large cross section of counter culture and drug culture. There were many parties happening. I recall smoking salvia out of a hooka, which later tipped and burned the bed sheets. A random guy came in to the party with a 50 gallon trash bag full of dried salvia.

No, defcon has no age requirement.

Yep you're correct.

Yes, there were a number of intelligent looking young children there. This however is only in furtherence of the argument that we must set good examples.

Because it's defcon, not blackhat. Defcon is the Saturday before graduation at a frat house. Blackhat is a the 4th of July at a country club.

Could someone translate that from American to European for us non-US residents, please?

Frat houses[1] are known for having a lot of parties. This partying will crescendo around the university's graduation date. DEFCON is being compared to one of these peak parties.

Black Hat is a bit more subdued. It costs a lot more to attend Black Hat. Black Hat parties are more like casual social gatherings. I believe that in Europe, country clubs are more likely to be called gentlemen's clubs. In either case, it's usually the richer people attending.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_fraternity_and_...

When was the last time that you went to DEFCON?

over a decade ago :(

The room can't be used while it's being repaired, and people would push back pretty hard if they were charged for lost business too. People also tend to dispute damage charges.

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