Please don't take HN threads further into generic ideological arguments. By the time the discussion gets this generic, there's nothing left but flamewar. And it's always the same.
Also, re "you are saying", there's an HN guideline that asks you not to argue this way: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." That's because arguing this way consistently leads to more boring comments, and it's easy enough not to do if you remember the rule.