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Could you link if you have it? I'm genuinely curious.

I'm also suspicious -- what stops the aforementioned individuals from finding another website/forum? I seem to remember hearing that after Reddit closed down several of the more unsavory/flat-out-awful subreddits, a large contingent of those users moved to another site (can't remember which though).

FWIW, I support clamping down on hate speech, but only if it's accompanied by some form of education (otherwise, you're just hiding the problem).

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Social science research indicates that it isn't about "hiding" hate directed speech, but rather to consider the impact on the victims of such speech. That is, when one is able to say the word "hiding", it is spoken from the position of privilege; it is a very real existential threat to those impacted.

Constricting hate speech has a notable impact on the dignity and well-being of those impacted[1].

[1] EG: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504630.2015.11...

Do you care at all about free speech? You are willing kill this beautiful freedom we have for that?

I would never support the government throwing Alex Jones in jail espousing his views (Assuming we're not talking about edge cases where freedom of speech does not apply).

But I also fully support the property rights of Twitter, Facebook, etc to exercise control over the content of their platforms.

You wouldn't permit someone setting up camp on your front lawn, passing out, say, NAMBLA literature would you? It's unlikely you'd say "Sir, I do not like that that you are on my lawn evangelizing man-boy love, but it's your god-given right to do so!" -- you'd probably (rightly say) "Get get the F--- off my lawn!"

Your property, your rules.

My point is Foolrush would.

Indeed I do support hate speech laws. As does a majority of the rest of the world.

There is a correlation between the support of freedom of speech and gender / race, unsurprisingly.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1559-1816....

If you're yelled at, boycotted, have your show canceled, or get banned from an internet community, your free speech rights aren't being violated. It's just that the people listening think you're an asshole and they're showing you the door.

If you're going to quote Randall Munroe, at least include a link ;-) https://xkcd.com/1357/

I guess I am worried that as the societal norm for allowing ideological differences to be expressed degrades that it will leak into politics in the form of hate speech laws. We are starting to have fully private struggle sessions on Twitter, using such tools to sick the mob on opponents. A new sort of bully pulpit.

I am not sure any populist politician has quite realized this power. Trump has to an extent but he has no backing from anyone in media, education, or most government employees. Now that Trump has broken so many tacit rules, I fear a charismatic leftist populist would be able to nationalize these private struggle sessions and vastly amplify his or her power.

The mob has not been a force in politics for a long time. I fear a resurgence.

Twitter, Apple etc are still private enterprises. This very forum exercises its rights every day - whether you call it censorship or moderation depends on your ideology.

I would happily "kill" your idea of "beauty" if it means more people can live the life you are without detrimental effects of hate speech on them, yes.

You realize which country has some of the more effective and stringent hate speech laws in the world? If you do, did you stop to ask yourself why?

#cancelhatespeech

Free speech refers to the freedom to not be thrown in jail by the government for things you have said that fall under protected speech. It has nothing to do with being allowed to post anything on any website you’d like.

Ok. So you don’t support laws against hate speech?

glenda was only pointing out how free speech is misunderstood; stating fact rather than what they do or don't support.

> a large contingent of those users moved to another site (can't remember which though)

https://voat.co/

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