Please don't break the HN guidelines by taking threads off on generic ideological rabbit trails. Once you get this far, the resulting flamewars are all the same.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: it looks like you've been breaking the guidelines by using HN primarily for political arguments. That's something we ban accounts for, because it's destructive of what this site exists for (i.e. intellectual curiosity). Can you please stop doing that?