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Xinjiang - A Surveillance State Unlike Any the World Has Ever Seen

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The Chinese dictatorship is literally setting up concentration camps in Xinjiang.

"Zenz’s research demonstrates that such facilities are not only of significant size, with some exceeding 10,000 square metres, but also are akin to concentration camps: Many bids mandate the installation of comprehensive security features that turn existing facilities into prison-like compounds: surrounding walls, security fences, pull wire mesh, barbwire, reinforced security doors and windows, surveillance systems, secure access systems, watchtowers, and guard rooms or facilities for armed police."

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/xinjiangs-tran...

It's pretty disgusting how another previous thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17645273 has people wanting 'new leadership from China' to lead the world

There were plenty of Oxford and Cambridge students in the 30's and 40's who were all up and hot for the USSR. I think there's a common thread between these two phenomena.

"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them."

-George Orwell

That's not an Orwell quote.

> It is similar in meaning to Orwell's line from Notes on Nationalism (1945): "One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool." [0]

Full context:

> The average intellectual of the Left believed, for instance, that the war was lost in 1940, that the Germans were bound to overrun Egypt in 1942, that the Japanese would never be driven out of the lands they had conquered, and that the Anglo-American bombing offensive was making no impression on Germany. He could believe these things because his hatred for the British ruling class forbade him to admit that British plans could succeed. There is no limit to the follies that can be swallowed if one is under the influence of feelings of this kind. One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool. [1]

[0]: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Orwell#Misattributed

[1]: https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel...

Successful soft power is setting up concentration camps for Muslims and not having any Islamic governments say anything about it. [1]

[1] https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/24/islamic-leaders-have-no...

Exactly. China's closest, for whatever reason, ally is Pakistan - a Muslim nation, which barely makes a sound when it comes to such Chinese policies.

Exactly, since when did Indians care so much about Muslim human right issue? or killing right issue...

> for whatever reason

India. They are allies because India.

>It's pretty disgusting how another previous thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17645273 has people wanting 'new leadership from China' to lead the world.

That's either CPC bots, or californians who drank too much from the GLP[0] kool-aid.

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

Does anyone have any footage of what these camps are like? I think having them shown graphically would help the Uighur's cause.

This kind of reply shows how ignorant and retarded you are about Xinjiang and the history of concentration camps. Uighurs have been attacking innocent Han people for years. There has been a series riots against innocent civilians. These are the terrorist attacks on the innocent Han civilians. The US has been labeling muslim attackers terrorists for many years. Criticizing China for protecting its own innocent civilians from attacks shows exactly the double standards. When there is an attack in the US by muslim attackers, it is called terrorist attack. When China protects its innocent civilians, it is called "concentration camp", while you have a President in the While House labeling Mexicans drug dealers, criminals, and rapists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2009_%C3%9Cr%C3%BCmqi_rio...

We've banned this account for violating the site guidelines. You can't attack others this way on HN regardless of how strongly you feel about an issue.

Abusing the site this way will eventually get your main account banned as well, so please don't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

So pretty much the same as American prisons then?

""" The Uighurs see themselves as a minority facing cultural, religious and economic discrimination. When Xinjiang was incorporated into the People's Republic of China in 1949, they comprised roughly 80 percent of the region's population. Controlled migration to Xinjiang of Han Chinese has reduced this share to 45 percent, and it is mainly these migrants who benefit from the economic boom in the region, which has plentiful supplies of oil, gas and coal. """

This is the key problem for political instability. China is having the inequality problem worse than any other countries....

China is also populous and oppressive enough that they can outlast the Uighurs in the long run, so there is little hope on this matter.

Yeah China should evaporate anytime, since 1949. Wonder when it will actually happen. Inequality happens everywhere even in America. For instance trump vs his supporters.

Needless to say that every knife sold has a bar code associated with your file. So when you slay your friendly neighbor they know it was you.

Do we need an article every few days on Xinjiang? These articles reveal nothing new.

well it's a first for me. Perhaps for other people too.

fair enough :) just there seems to be one every other day, bit excessive imho

Then don't read it.

Then why is there a flag button if the simple answer is "don't read it"?

https://exhibitions.ushmm.org/americans-and-the-holocaust/ma...

> American diplomats in Germany were well aware of the Nazi persecution of Jews and political opponents. Yet the US government respected Germany’s right to govern its own citizens and was hesitant to aid those being targeted.

> Throughout spring 1933, tens of thousands of Americans signed petitions protesting the Nazis’ treatment of Jews. Hundreds of petitions were sent to the State Department, but the US government made no official statement against the German regime.

This is a good thing to complain about when there are literal concentration camps and there's a government who actively tries to suppress the spread of information on it in the whole world. Yeah, better decrease the amount of articles on the matter.

Man I hope you don't hate yourself too bad when you look back and think "well what was my reaction to this, ah yes, I was annoyed by the reports"

Ye I won't thanks :)

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