Why don't more men take their wife's surname when they marry?
theatlantic.com
theatlantic.com
> In medieval England, men who married women from wealthier, more prestigious families would sometimes take their wife’s last name, says Stephanie Coontz, a professor of marriage and family history at Evergreen State College. From the 12th to the 15th century, Coontz told me, in many “highly hierarchical societies” in England and France, “class outweighed gender.”
It's not that I am particularly high-born; in fact, I think her family would count as much more high-status than mine. But her family name is very ordinary, and my surname sounds royal and is spelled in a very old-style aristocratic way. I strongly believe this has given me opportunities I would not otherwise have gotten, and it's something we both think it'd be foolish to give up.
The only time it’s even a minor inconvenience is picking up mail in the odd chance that the post office won’t leave it in our small apartment mailbox so one of us has to pick it up from the post office.
All the software in the world is setup for different surnames due to long term, live in boyfriend/girlfriend situations, as well as wives who want to concatenate their new name with the old. Marriage has been condensed to a checkbox on every important form and I’m glad it’s that way.
We’ve decided that our children will take my name and my wife will likely change hers then to make it easier for them to remember while growing up, but until then, we’re in no hurry.
You last name is your fathers (or rarely, your mothers) name plus a 'son' or 'dottir' at the end.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronymic
In Russia and other Slavic nations, the -ich patronymic is used:
>> a man named Ivan with a father named Nikolay would be known as Ivan Nikolayevich or "Ivan, son of Nikolay"
I find this extraordinary. I've never really thought about it much, I've just known I've always wanted to get rid of "Smith" since I have a common first name as well. I wish there was a freely accessible copy of that study.
I have to assume those people are nutjobs who want to enforce traditional gender roles and have servile women, and see this as an aspect of that, literally having ownership over their identity.
It's kinda horrifying.
When we were engaged, I learned that she wasn’t planning on taking my last name, and the thought didn’t really bother me —- I felt it was her choice to do as she wished in that regard, and it wouldn’t change the fact that we were married.
As it turned out, she already had a number of years of experience as a lawyer with her existing name, and there would have been a reputational cost to the change, so she just wanted to keep her name. Makes total sense to me!
Since then, I’ve been called “Mr. Geyer” more than a few times, and I’m kind of used to it by now —- maybe about as much as women get called Mrs. Husband-name, when they didn’t actually change theirs.
Household-wise, we are the “Geyer-Knowles Family”, by dint of alphabetical sorting. We don’t have children, but if we did, then they might have a hyphenated last name.
Now, I do have a male friend who changed his last name to match that of his wife after they got married, and the story I heard was that he never liked his last name. So that totally made sense.
The messy case that this article doesn't mention is what to do about your last name on divorce. There's less tradition there, and sometimes children get upset at the idea of their parents' names no longer matching theirs.
Please note I’m not advocating for Portuguese or Spanish naming customs per se. I’d like to hear what other HN readers think about this particular option.
Example: John Smith and Maria Lopez have a daughter named Angel Smith Lopez.
Who then marries Walter Dunkirk Kim.
The daughter would be Angel Smith Lopez Dunkirk Kim? Or some random combination?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surname#Spanish_compound_surna...
Both my wife and I have two surnames, one from each of our parents. We have chosen one of those each and given to our children.
* The least common surname
* The one from the more affluent family
* The one you like the most
Sorry for being dense, but is this sarcasm?
That's why polygamy has generally happened in only one direction throughout history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyandry
(specifically the part about partible paternity)
The argument is also deeply flawed because "women can only have one man's baby at a time" ignores the fact that relationships last longer than a pregnancy. A woman could have two husbands and have kids with them sequentially, even in a world where the "having kids" part mattered.
It's not wrong. It's based in biology.
> Marriage has no requirement for reproduction.
In the same way that getting a law degree doesn't have a requirement of getting a job as a lawyer. But generally, you get a law degree to become a lawyer. The reason marriage was created was for family creation.
> The argument is also deeply flawed because "women can only have one man's baby at a time" ignores the fact that relationships last longer than a pregnancy.
What? How is that a flaw? Sure it last longer than the pregnancy because the kid is there.
> A woman could have two husbands and have kids with them sequentially
Right. And a man can have two wives and have kids with them in parallel.
> even in a world where the "having kids" part mattered.
Of course it matters. It's the basis of existence. It's a biological imperative of pretty much every human being.
I can't believe you are arguing against that.
People who can't or don't want to reproduce routinely get married. There is no legal requirement for reproduction, and people don't only get married for that reason.
You can't take the root causes for human behaviour and say they apply universally - e.g: humans want to eat more than they need to eat at that moment to stockpile a reserve - this behaviour is no longer relevant in most modern societies. Food is not about just fuelling our bodies today, even if that's the root of the behaviour "based in biology". Human desires and motives are distinct from the evolutionary reasons for them, and pretending they aren't is rejecting reality.
Your view is deeply and fundamentally flawed - it doesn't reflect reality as we see it in practice. Data models where you just throw away edge cases is failing to do the job well.
i didn't even had to think about it since i have western name, my wife has Chinese, so either combination would look extremely strange at least for us (for mixed children i find it acceptable to see western given name with Chinese foreign name, but for someone not mixed it's odd)
I could see this resulting in similar debate over how the children get named though.
there really should be some training for people how to choose proper name and they should pass some basic test so their choice would be accepted because their child will be living with such name, not careless parents
Isn't there real journalism that theatlantic can do rather than silly nonsense like this. I expect this from reddit's ELI5 rather than a supposedly respectable magazine. Also is every other headline from theatlantic going to be a question?