Uber's 'Vomit Fraud' Sounds Worse Than Surge Pricing
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We gave a driver a 3-star rating for being a particularly bad driver (driving aggressively, cursing at other drivers etc).
Later that day, my girlfriend (whose account we had used for the ride) got a warning/strike on her Uber account because a driver had reported her for "making racist remarks in his vehicle and making his driving experience uncomfortable".
For the record we had barely spoken a word in the car during the ride, as we were both quite tired. Our driver spoke more than we did and it was mostly obscene complaints about other drivers and cars on the road.
We concluded it had to be the same driver, as we hadn't taken another Uber in a few days, so it was basically retaliation.
The email said that if enough of these reports are received she would be removed from the platform and her account would be shut down. There didn't seem to be any recourse or appeals process noted in the email..
So I wonder if this is a sneaky way for drivers to punish passengers for bad ratings..
How do you prove/disprove this kind of accusation?
By having one's rides on Twitch /s
On a more serious note, if police body cams reduce misconduct, perhaps Uber requesting that rides are recorded would have the same effect. That said, it's just an idea, were this kind of behavior to become rampant. Personally, I'm always for less surveillance.
With that said, it still sucks this happened to your girlfriend. My guess is that he reported that on the way the ride went (in general), and not based on her giving him a bad rating because I don't think he would have that information. I could be wrong, though. Would love to hear if anyone who drives for Uber could back that up or not about the transparency of ratings per ride.
Yeah even then, like I said we both sat quietly in the back of the car the whole way.
I can't imagine we gave him any reason to legitimately complain about us.
Those people are wayyy too busy to read HN.
So we did what we thought we should: we gave him a rating that reflected our experience.
I did suggest that she complain about the driver's complaint since that was the real problem.. I'm not sure if she ultimately did though, as I left it up to her to decide what to do since it's her Uber account. :)
Ironically, my girlfriend is a visible minority too, so she was extra-incensed about the racism complaint.
EDIT: The original Miami Herald article people have now linked def paints a bit of a different picture.
> “I immediately contacted Uber through the app. I told them that I was alone, sober, that I was not carrying any drinks and that it was impossible for me to have caused that damage,” she said. “But every new email from Uber came from a different representative and always favored the driver.”
> Despite several email exchanges, Uber never agreed to reimburse her the extra money. But she disputed the charge with her credit card company and got back her $98. Uber then canceled her account.
Do you mean "so little customers are reporting it to HN" ? Or do you have some data from Uber internal support?
[1]: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article215299675.h...
[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17587952
EDIT: I found a way to re-open my support ticket with uber and linked them the miamiherald article - they then immediately refunded the cleaning fee.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article215299675.h...
> Despite several email exchanges, Uber never agreed to reimburse her the extra money. But she disputed the charge with her credit card company and got back her $98. Uber then canceled her account.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article215299675.h...
Seems like it would solve a lot of the he said / she said arguments discussed in the articles, at a relatively low cost footprint. I guess economically, the cost of 'fraud' would have to outweigh the cost of dash cams.
Tomorrows HN article: Police subpoenas Uber for in-car CCTV video.
> Tomorrows H̶N̶ Gizmodo article:
FTFY ;)
That's the story.
He cannot simply steal money from my bank account and make me fight to get it back.
You might try to walk away, and end up with a cab driver chasing you down.
If this was in a foreign country with limited recourse you are of course probably boned.
In many countries, the previous scammy taxi drivers are now Uber drivers. I thus expect "vomit fraud" to expand unless Uber manages to control it.
> And in 2016, a Tampa area driver was reportedly booted from the platform after charging multiple customers cleanup fees for suspiciously similar looking messes.
Forcing yourself to vomit is not a good idea of course, but if you have no scruples about lying anyways, maybe you deserve a little personal damage to go along with your deceit?