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That to some degree is driven by how taboo TRT (fuelled by steroid craze of the `80s) was. In effect there were seriously hundreds of men forced to live for example on Clomid because testosterone was a no-no (compared to TRT Clomid is like using propofol because you can't sleep)

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Clomid works for some but not all.

http://www.ergo-log.com/clomid-testosterone.html

http://www.ergo-log.com/clomidendur.html

The main point of Clomid are quite usual psychological side-effects, including such fun stuff as suicidal thoughts.

Where have you seen that in the literature?

Honestly, I have to dig through. The thing is those things are often underreported. I worked with a TRT clinic for a while, people on Clomid for fertility reasons were miserable (as in "kill me now") so that's my bias.

The TRT clinic I went to was a clear scam. When he realized my T was too high he tried to sell me on growth hormone peptides for $300 a month and B12 injections. Lots of pseudoscience. Also, he was a chiropractor. Not surprising since chiropractors aren't real doctors.

Yeah, a lot of TRT clinics are scam, especially if they employ chiropractors or naturopaths - DO STAY AWAY. Fact that those professions are allowed to give medical advice in some countries/states is actually an emerging problem because the school giving out certificates to these people have a much lower quality of education which can be fatal. People with "degrees" from schools such as Bastyr are know to advocate against vaccination and other sane science while peddling "natural" solutions.

Here's the best compilation of data (not mine, but by a man I incredibly respect for his insights in neuropsychopharmacology) https://www.quora.com/Can-clomiphene-citrate-trigger-depress...

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