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He actually doesn’t talk bad about legal immigrants, he acknowledges the need and their contributions to the economy. He does badmouth _illegal_ immigrants, true. But we are one of the easiest countries to get in legally, compared to Mexico, Brazil, Canada, Australia, etc.

Moreover, he’s the president of the American people, not the President Of The World. He and every president has a sacred responsibility to look after his/her citizens.

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"He actually doesn’t talk bad about immigrants"

"He does badmouth _illegal_ immigrants, true"

So which is it?

It really doesn't matter though, as the point is that he is putting the blame on others (immigrants, other countries and their trade practices, etc.). Whether the immigrants are "illegal" or not doesn't matter in this context: it's an out group that grievances can be directed towards.

I'd be remiss if I didn't leave this here:

“Allowing the immigration to take place in Europe is a shame,” Trump said. “I think it changed the fabric of Europe and, unless you act very quickly, it’s never going to be what it was and I don’t mean that in a positive way.

“So I think allowing millions and millions of people to come into Europe is very, very sad,” he continued. “I think you are losing your culture. Look around. You go through certain areas that didn’t exist ten or 15 years ago.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/07/13/t...

Until it became a cause celebre for progressives, Feinstein, Obama, Clinton, gov Brown, all spoke against illegal immigration. It’s not anathema to the Dems, but suddenly it’s something some think will get them votes, but they are risking alienating inner city whites and inner city blacks as well as rural white poors.

Few people would argue against legal immigration ala Canada, Australia, even Brazil or Mexico. They all have pretty reasonable requirements to becoming a legal resident.

"B..Bu..But Obama!!!"

I hear this all the time when it comes to rebutting criticism of Trump. It's interesting how such a terrible president who made such awful deals has so much in common with Trump...

Until it became a cause celebre for progressives, Feinstein, Obama, Clinton, gov Brown, all spoke against illegal immigration.

Could you please point to any of them speaking positively about illegal immigration, vs. speaking against Trump’s racism and practices such as separating young children from their parents at the border?

Here is what Clinton has said over the years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIUTolcK6Uc

Jerry Brown trying to block legal Vietnamese immigrants in 75 : https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-jerry-brown-tried-to-keep-...

Feinstein: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvRZdNoHEf8

Obama as well, but this is enough to prove the point.

You said that illegal immigration is a cause celebre of the left. I asked for a demonstration that the left had spoken positively about illegal immigration. All of the links you provided were of people speaking negatively about illegal immigration.

So how can illegal immigration be both a cause celebre of the left, and something that the left condemns?

Have we misunderstood each other?

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