If you watch a lot of his videos, you'll notice that he almost always talks about thermals, so it's not surprising to see him focus on that aspect of the MBP.
For audio, it's more the CPU.
This entire thread is baffling to me. Everyone rushing to justify buying a new high performance laptop which they don’t mind throttling because they never needed the performance in the first place??
Time scale is relevant. I want interactive tasks to be faster. I won't notice a 5% improvement in a job that takes long enough for a coffee break, but I will appreciate if more short tasks can cross the threshold of being indistinguishable from instantaneous.
For typical loads, both will be at a high level of usage
If what you care about is performance on 2-hour tasks, there's just no chance, that's a completely different thing.
The number of people who want performance stats, or at least think they need, far outnumber the amount of people who need performance. It makes absolute sense to sell these lemons, even though it is unethical.
The only part that matters. Maybe it's even illegal.
Irrelevant. If you pay premium for performance expecting to get the level of performance you've paid for then you better get what you've paid for.
Otherwise we're dealing with something very similar to consumer fraud covered with a thin paternalist veil of "corporation knows best".
That makes no sense. "Premium" strictly means "at a higher cost." You can't possibly get what you have paid for with premium products, because some of your money has been spent purchasing the premium.
Regardless of sour reviews such as this one, most people will continue to buy Apple products because Apple sales have managed to transcend the quality of their products. Apple will continue to push the boundaries of what is acceptable and people will continue to buy their products, defend them and praise them - no different from the past decade.
The fault lies squarely with consumers. Apple is just doing what they are being asked to do: flatter things, bigger numbers, higher prices.
The full value out of it includes:
1) It not being short-lived by rampant overheating (even if it's within cpu tolerances) 2) It being quiet as you expect a MBP to be
It's not supposed to render 6K 3D all day at full speed in the tropics...
"You're using it wrong" (ie, "it's not supposed for" with different wording) has been a long time excuse for many Apple failures at this point and I'm tired of it.
Hyperbole aside, their advertising shows it hooked up to a 5K external display running the Unity debugger. So it should at least be able to render 5K 3D for a typical work day.
>their maximum FP32 compute performance is 11 TFLOPS (which points to around 1340 MHz clock-rate for the Vega 64) and their peak memory bandwidth is 400 GB/s (indicating about 1600 MT/s memory speed), which is slower when compared to the Radeon RX Vega cards for desktops. The main reasons why Apple downlocks its GPUs are of course power consumption and heat dissipation https://www.anandtech.com/show/12152/apple-starts-imac-pro-s...
Sad to see that this is becoming a recurring theme from Apple's pro line.
Of course, if the component still overheats, that completely beats the purpose of the downclocking.
It’s just a pragmatic approach to a physical limitation. The right choice given the clientele— debatable. But just the same it’s not unique to computer manufacturers.
Stockfish (chess engine) will batter a CPU like that.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T470p-Core-i7-...
I finally ditched it a few weeks ago, finally replacing it with a Ryzen 7 desktop.
I'll admit my XPS 15 was a factory refurbished model, so maybe I just got a lemon. It got so hot the battery is now swelling and it popped out the trackpad (I think there might be a recall; or if not take it in since that's gotta be under warranty).
My current laptop is a HP Spectre. It's thicker than the XPS, but I think it's got a much better cooling solution and preforms better. I don't think I'd recommend a Dell XPS again.
> Dell charges just as much if not more than Apple
Not even close. XPS 15 with 6 core, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD is $1500. MBP is $2400 for the same specs.
What I really like on the XPS 15 is the 97 WHR battery. I haven't seen any other notebook with this capacity.
I think it's a fixed issue, but only in 2018 models, so YMMV.
It's quiet if I have it in "silent" mode, but then I might as well be using a 350$ machine, as far as performance is concerned.
Maybe you have a slower CPU, or they fixed the thermals in your model?
The fan is running at around 10%, barely noticeable.
The fans do spin up and they're audible, but not louder than my Thinkpad or any of the Macbook Pro's we have at work. It is dead silent unless I'm actually doing intensive work.
It seems people have a lot of issues with older models though, so YMMV.
Perhaps the 9570 is improved, or as many suggest Dells QC is poor and I got lucky.
[1]: https://nickjanetakis.com/blog/transform-a-toshiba-chromeboo...
That, along with performance that's below the previous-gen i7 but charging $300 more is the real kicker - honestly, I'm not sure how anyone at Apple would be able to justify that as not just bilking their customers out of money.
It seems like these days, the mantra is "buyer beware" if you're looking to buy a Mac.
No replacing of soldering paste on my part was ever able to improve the situation, with the result of having powerful machines only on paper, that were brought to their knees even by light workloads.
My Mac becomes impossibly hot and slows down playing games like Hearthstone and Civ5, FFS.
I have long decided that my next laptop (regardless of the brand) will have integrated graphics and a medium TDP CPU, and I will just limit heavy workloads and gaming to my desktop.
You get more bang for your bucks this way, too. Desktop hardware costs a fraction of a comparable laptop.
The tradeoff is convenience, where you would have single machine that is able to fill all your needs (power and mobility), instead of two.
But, for me at least, in the end it's not worth it. Also, cloud and sync services made working in parallel on multiple machines almost painless.