Clemency petition for Ross Ulbricht reaches 7,000 signatures in less than 4 days
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Unless these transcripts are entire fabrications, he was rather more hands-on with other criminals than this petition is letting on: https://www.wired.com/2015/02/read-transcript-silk-roads-bos...
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> "Ulbricht was charged with money laundering, computer hacking, conspiracy to traffic narcotics,[26][30] and procuring murder.[27] The charge of procuring murder was removed from the indictment[31]"
31 refers to: https://www.dailydot.com/crime/silk-road-murder-charges-ross...
>The charge of procuring murder was removed from the indictment[31] although the evidence was factored into Ulbricht's sentence.
The transcripts aren't just evidence of murder, also of his direct involvement with the drug vendors.
Maybe they could have asked that question instead of trying to spin this bullshit.
Some rapists get multiple life sentences.
If the evidence against Ulbricht for murder for hire was good, they would have presented it at trial. The fact is that the prosecutors didn't for some reason and he shouldn't be imprisoned for a crime he hasn't been convicted of.
He's been imprisoned for amongst other things, "continuing criminal enterprise", and the transcripts of him talking about hits were presented at trial as at evidence that this involved preparedness to take extreme measures to protect his narcotics suppliers comparable to those of drugs kingpins, and not simply being an innocuous libertarian-inclined middleman who built a web platform people chose to buy and sell drugs on, or even your friendly neighbourhood pot-grower. His defence team had the opportunity to challenge the validity of that evidence in determining his guilt and sentencing for the crimes he was charged for and evidently did not succeed in doing so. The difficulties with targets being mostly anonymous (and in some cases possibly nonexistent) and the pseudonymous entity who offered supposed hitman services probably intending to scam Ulbricht might have made a prosecution for five specific instances of murder too uncertain to complicate the case with, but as evidence of Ulbricht's willingness in principle to purchase murders was it certainly relevant to the continuing criminal enterprise charge he was convicted of.
The only thing the authorities decided they could certainly convict Al Capone for was tax evasion. This did not mean that Al Capone was unfairly treated, it simply meant the tax charge were relatively straightforward to make stick.
> "I find there is ample and unambiguous evidence that [Ulbricht] commissioned five murders to protect his commercial enterprise," Forrest [the judge in the case] said, leaving out one alleged attempted murder for which Ulbricht was charged in a different case.
-- https://www.wired.com/2015/05/silk-road-creator-ross-ulbrich...
> Of the six murder indictments trumpeted by the U.S. government in the days following Ulbricht’s Oct. 2013 arrest, five have fallen off the table and the sixth sits untouched in a separate indictment (legalese for an unproven allegation) that was purposefully left out of the upcoming trial.
> Prosecutor Serrin Turner used the murder-for-hire allegations to get the judge to deny bail. Now, Turner isn’t even going to charge Ulbricht with the murders.
> Why have six of the most important accusations been left as yet uncharged?
> “Maybe you don’t have that proof,” criminal defense attorney Jay Leiderman told the Daily Dot. “Maybe the proof isn’t as good as you thought it was.”
> There are a couple of other possibilities that deserve mention. First, there may be informants out there that the prosecution doesn’t want to expose, that they want to use for other cases, so they’re willing to leave half a dozen murders uncharged in order to protect him. Second, they may have determined that a relevant informant is unreliable and can’t be used in trial.
> Either way, the murder accusations are buried and uncharged.
from: https://www.dailydot.com/crime/silk-road-murder-charges-ross...
That's not how the Rule of Law works.
Oh, come now. What prosecutor is going to drop murder charges in favor of money laundering and computer hacking charges when they have unambiguous evidence?
Your argument is equivalent to: "As long as a conviction feels good, it doesn't much matter if the due process of law is followed" . It's the equivalent of arguing for a system that is ok with police breaking into a house without a warrant as long as they find something illegal.
What? I don't believe I said anything about "feeling good" anywhere in my comment, so I struggle to fathom how my argument can be equivalent to an argument that includes that term.
What does that mean? How do you factor in "evidence of guilt" without assuming guilt? That is absurd.
As an aside, epistemically, you seem to be confused about the meaning of "evidence." Evidence is stuff that causes you to believe something more. Evidence does not imply that there is a 100% certainty of something being true.
> As an aside, epistemically, you seem to be confused about the meaning of "evidence." Evidence is stuff that causes you to believe something more. Evidence does not imply that there is a 100% certainty of something being true.
I'm not confused about what "evidence" is. The thing is that we have a process for determining guilt of crimes, and it's not "a judge thinks evidence is fairly compelling".
We have here someone who was convicted of a specific set of crimes but whose sentencing was driven by another set of unproven crimes. "Factoring in evidence" of those alleged crimes requires assuming that those crimes were committed as alleged, but such assumption violates the presumption of innocence. If the evidence is compelling, then try those crimes.
He wasn't even tried for those charges, which should give us pause.
I'm surprised a judge is even allowed to site "unambiguous evidence" for charges that weren't even brought before the court.
I feel like judicial discretion in sentencing is pretty well understood, but I guess it could seem strange if you haven't spent much time reading about or experiencing the legal system.
Sentencing is a range. Based on the facts presented to the judge during trial and through third parties in the sentencing phase (victim statements, letters from your pastor, parents, friends, and teachers, etc.) judges can choose the low end of the range or the high end of the range. It's no more strange to give someone the high end due to unproven statements of assholerly, than sentencing being more lenient for good qualities that have never been proven.
Imagine this: you steal a bag of Oreos from a 7-11. You are sent to trial. Then the prosecution says you also killed some dude. When all is said and done, you are convicted of shoplifting and receive an insane amount of time in prison but were never actually charged with murder, wouldn't you think that the jury was manipulated?
Stop pretending that Ulbricht is some kind of saint, and that there is no evidence of him doing this.
There's been numerous cases of people being exonerated of a crime [1] after spending years of their life inside prison.
I'm not trying to pretend that Ulbricht is a saint. He deserves to be in prison for running an illegal market. But if that's all he was ever convicted of, then I believe that the punishment of a double life sentence doesn't fit the crime.
* [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_i...
https://magazine.atavist.com/the-next-big-deal
Makes sense.
"I understand, and that is great news about Xin [being kidnapped]. If I understand the situation, he is the one responsible for your loss."
"I would like to put a bounty on his head if it's not too much trouble for you. What would be an adequate amount to motivate you to find him? Necessities like this do happen from time to time for a person in my position."
"It doesn't have to be clean, and I don't think there are any funds to be retrieved"
"Don't want to be a pain here, but the price seems high. Not long ago, I had a clean hit done for $80k."
"I've only ever commissioned the one other hit, so I'm still learning this market."
"Excellent work."
So deserving of clemency...
No and that's the legal issue. He's being imprisoned for a crime he crime he hasn't been convicted of.