After trying Evernote, Workflowy, Notion, wikis, org-mode, and essentially everything else I could find, I gave up and tried building my own system for notes. Plain timestamped markdown files linked together. Edited with vim and a few bash scripts, rendered with a custom deployment of Gollum. All in a git repo.
It's... wonderful. Surprisingly easy. Fast. If there's a feature I wish it had, I can write a quick bash script to implement it. If Gollum stops being maintained, I can use whatever the next best markdown renderer is. Markdown isn't going away anytime soon.
It's liberating to be in control. I find myself more eager to write things down. I'm surprised more people don't do the same.
Edit: here's what my system looks like https://imgur.com/a/nGplj
X-post from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15057002 10 months ago. Still using & loving it.
At first this was pretty annoying, but then I wrote a couple scripts to automate the upload + naming process. Now it's as simple as running the script and getting the Markdown reference copied to your clipboard (ex. "").
That sounds a lot like zimwiki,except it uses a media wiki derived markup, but does have wysiwyg ui. http://zim-wiki.org/
Especially because I can (if it ever becomes unmaintained), export the data to my preferred format with a simple script, as everytthing is saved in plain json files.
One example is jrnl[1]. Each journal (collection of entries) is written in a flat text file. You can optionally encrypt it with AES. They even give you reference code on how you could decrypt it yourself[2].
If jrnl stops being a thing, I can probably re-implement all of its functionality in a day. Or someone else can. Its output is very simple.
pushd $JRNL_DIR && git pull && echo "##### "(date) >> (date "+%Y-%m-%d.txt") && vim (date "+%Y-%m-%d.txt") && git add *.txt && git commit -m "jrnl "(date "+%Y-%m-%d.txt") && git push && popdI love the format, enjoy using Sublime for text-editing and never had a problem with syncing (as opposed to say OneNone or Evernote).
Would be cool if you could share your setup on GitHub.
brew cask install fsnotes
Maybe it's working now?
Now, if I could just find something as brilliant for this Surface Book 2.
That’s not what that means.
I take your point in it being bound to Emacs however. Pandoc is an excellent tool for conversion though, and other editors are catching up quickly.
As for extracting meaningful info with other editors, I would say it depends on how you structure your notes. For me it's just a very long bullet list with some tags here and there. So a plain text editor will only 'add' some star characters at the beginning of each lines, which appears quite readable to my eyes.
Obviously you won't be able to execute code blocks, reformat tables, follow links, fold sections etc.. but everything is just a search away..
Note: I don't know what raw orgmode files look like, maybe they're similar to Markdown.
The thing is, Org format is defined by the way Org-mode in Emacs handles it. Beyond Markdown-like features (which are rather easy to parse out; the format is similar), you get things in the data format that to date are handled only by Emacs. Think of Emacs + org mode as a better Jupyter notebooks than just editor for static text documents.
Consider this note I have in my org file for work tasks.
** DONE [#A] Testing prior to syncup meeting :CUSTOMER_development:
CLOSED: [2018-07-13 Fri 14:04]
:LOGBOOK:
CLOCK: [2018-07-13 Fri 12:14]--[2018-07-13 Fri 14:04] => 1:50
:END:
- [X] Baseline test for REDACTED
- REDACTED NOTE
- [X] Baseline test for SOMETHING ELSE
If you rendered this as a static document (e.g. export to HTML), you'd see the headline "Testing prior to syncup meeting", and the bullet-point list at the bottom. The remaining things are metadata, nicely formatted by Emacs (and partially hidden; e.g. :LOGBOOK: / :END: block starts folded by default). The metadata shown are part of Org-mode's task management aspect - the todo state (DONE), date of task's finalization, time clocking (CLOCK: entries), tags (CUSTOMER_development). Together, they enable me to very efficiently mange tasks, track spent time, and autogenerate invoice data.In this sense, org format is both a nice Markdown alternative, and - when coupled with Emacs - enables very powerful interactive documents that can handle task management, time clocking, literate programming, spreadsheeting, and other tasks.
I suspect Org will never be as popular as Markdown simply because, if you wanted to go beyond Markdown feature parity, you'd have to reimplement half of Emacs to handle those "advanced" aspects.
With Markdown I can use any editor from a full-featured IDE all the way down to `cat` or `ed` and all I'm giving up are some quality of life features. It's the same format at the bottom, and it has the added benefit of being ubiquitous in that nearly every editor has some basic Markdown support. I can write it anywhere and take it anywhere, not so for Org-Mode.
I think I prefer the Markdown approach of keeping the file format light and plain, and building the quality of life features on top in the editor.
As for your orgmode example, it's not a very good example of "just plaintext" if the metadata code in between the bits of text is larger than the content of the note. I imagine that with nice syntax highlighting it becomes easier to parse in just a glance, but then it's no longer "just plaintext" in the same way that e.g. YAML isn't.
It probably works very well, but to me it looks a lot like a plaintext encoding of a database record or something. It's a different use case. Not a simple note that is "basically plaintext". For instance I would not feel entirely comfortable editing your example without worrying I'd mess up the structure or produce a syntax error. Though maybe the format is really forgiving, I can't tell. What happens if you forget the :END: bit, for instance?
Of course you can read Orgmode in plain text, because that’s all it is. Maybe you looked at a file with a bunch of meta-data, or a file with a bunch of code blocks, but so what? Ignore the meta-data and just read the notes. They are all delimited by asterisks by their header level. Links are simple. Tables are simple, even tables with formulas are readable.
Further more Markdown is a poorly defined plaintext format, which is why there are so many variants of it, and processors specific to those variants. If you don’t believe me, remember that GFM is not official markdown.
Orgmode is at least well defined, so when other editors catch up and are able to implement all the features Emacs has when using it, they should behave similarly. If you want a well defined plain text format that exports to HTML/PDF/Word/RichText take a look at AsciiDoc or reStructuredText.
But don’t blame Emacs for leveraging its power over a relatively simple plain text format. There are even packages these days for Vim, Sublime, Atom, Jetbrains to make good use of Orgmode without Emacs.
The org-mode file format is plaintext, just like Markdown, and you definitely can edit and view it with any text editor. You will obviously lose the convenience of org-mode, though. Additionally, it's simple enough that you can easily implement a parser/importer for any other software.
That's quite the value judgement. Emacs, when compared with Atom and Sublime Text, has a tremendous learning curve for little payback. It's extensible? So are they, and with programming languages that are useful outside the editor, no less. It's powerful? So are they.
And more, they implement something resembling a common UI to the rest of the applications on your system. Sure, you can emulate that with the proper installation of modes into Emacs, but at that point you're already down the rabbit hole.
Emacs may still be the king of the hill, but it's a really nasty hill to climb. And with Atom and Sublime text sitting just a little below the summit with a nice, paved road to them it's going to take more than just being a bit better than them to justify that final hill climb.
So, no, people aren't afraid. Emacs is just not worth most people's time.
Sincerely, a VIM and emacs user.
Spacemacs, Prelude, and Scimacs are all good options depending on your use-case.
I mean if all you want is a text editor, some SCM integration, some build tool integration, syntax highlighting, and code completion then going with a specialized tool just for that is a good choice.
But the power of Emacs is that it can do nigh-anything and everything is a few lines of elisp away from being tightly integrated.
* Organize your tasks and projects with org-mode and work seemelessly with your team by syncing with org-trello.
* Use mu4e and magit integration to seemelessly send and apply patches and pull projects and todo items directly from email.
* Use one of the IRC clients or emacs-slack to do the same thing. Generate snippets on the fly in your team's chat from the currently selected text.
* Use org mode with org-babel and TRAMP to create interactive notebooks carrying out tricky tasks directly on the remote server from within emacs.
* Use emacsclient --tramp when you're SSH'd on a remote box to transparently edit in your local emacs.
* Replace tmux and tmuxinator with emacs-server.
I don't realy think it's small step up.
I disagree to this point. org-trello should work in that way "in theory", but actually it doesn't. Its usage is quite opinionated, and its syncing didn't work as I expected when I tried it out. Instead, we probably should have an org-mode integration with GitHub/GitLab issues.
Org mode is one of the few unique bits of software available only on Emacs, but you can get 80% (if not more) of its functionality with markdown notes and regular email/calendaring software for 20% (if not less) of the learning curve.
EDIT: And I'm not ignoring Spacemacs and its kin. Yes, they are more user friendly, but they still do not follow many of the common OS UI models, and you still are interacting with a single-purpose programming language for any customization. The abstraction falls apart quickly when you try do do something more powerful (like opening the package manager).
Not to mention, the last three times I tried to do Go development in Spacemacs it would freeze in an infinite busy loop. It's unfortunate that a broken mode can completely hose the entire editor in this day.
Otoh, I tried both atom and vscode for the same job, but quickly ran away because using an editor on which modal editing is not a first class citizen is not for me anymore.
I've been using a variant of the zettelkasten method for keeping book summaries and notes on index cards. It's been nice but the indexing method I'm using is cumbersome. I've been toying with the idea of moving just that into something digital.
Another thing that I recently came across is https://www.gnu.org/software/hyperbole/. It's also Emacs based and might be something I can actually use.
I just don't feel like using some stupid apps for notes. I understand that someone not technical would like to use app for that.
I built it when OneNote had a week long outage on Windows Phone. I'll never go back. Storing everything in plain text files is wonderfully liberating. Any app can read them. There's zero lock in. I can build my own super client or just use notepad
But then I saw your screenshot. Nevermind.
I strongly agree with this. Actually I'm surprised that creating one's own tools is not more widespread in our industry as I consider this a quite unique trait of our profession.
GitHub UI for on the move web committing is also pretty well done.
For a lot of things in life, you want to have simple interface yet sophisticated functionality. It’s incredibly hard to achieve that balance and so many software products screw up that balance.
(In case you really meant unique rather than special or valued). Machinists, woodworkers, and craftsmen in general all make their own tools when the situation calls for it.
(and yes the above sentence was meant to be a logical moron)
Although the difference between tool-making and yak shaving is itself a yak shaveable debate.
* a git repo (private on gitlab)
* markdown editor (desktop, phone)
* and several means of rendering (pandoc, gollum, etc)
See: http://gbraad.nl/blog/task-management-and-personal-kanban-ho... and http://gbraad.nl/blog/document-generation-using-markdown-and...I use a container image to generate my resume, my blog, knowledgebase and presentations. All from the same files and workflow...
Now if I added some stuff to automatically link to JIRA tickets or GitHub PRs, or even specific commits if I go to that level, that would be fantastic.
"I find myself more eager to write things down." I feel exactly the same. Something about the simplicity and lightweight approach makes it more inviting for writing.
I use QOwnNotes to manage the notes, it's open source and available on osx/linux/windows, uses a sqlLite DB to add tagging and fast searching.
I use nextcloud for syncing the notes to a server and across devices.
Org mode has configurable todos(todo, next, scheduled, deadline). You can attach tags to notes, have nested todos with percentage completion tracking, can write code snippets in any language with full syntax completion, log time for different tasks, and this is just all I can think on the top of my head.
And to top it all, it is just plain text. You can store org documents in dropbox and access them just like your other dropbox documents.
I have found it immensely advantageous to use monospace for writting and note keeping, because I can structure the writting with indentation. So my writtings are trees, I branch them similarly to how you punctuate text in English. That's very efficient for technical writting and notes, but also for ponderings and essays. It let's you drop many non-content words, because the indentation provides for sentence-glue with visual punctuation and walks you through the "thought tree". With prose it's not easy to see the structure from a glance, you only see it's biggest features. With lists, you are constrained to the point where the medium is not expressive enough for anything beyond a grocery list. With loose-form trees, you get the benefit of visual structure, text-efficiency and expressiveness. Code editors, like vim, are good for this, because they know how to wrap indented text.
Example of such notes. They're not in English, but you can see the structure. It's a week of entries on a project: https://hastebin.com/raw/gurexecubi
MS OneNote is great however they have stopped updating their desktop application (which allows offline notes) in favor of putting everything in the cloud (which will require a subscription to yet another cloud service if you exceed the OneDrive limits.)
Indeed, one of the most important points is the Q&A in the FAQ: "Has Standard Notes completed a third-party security audit?" (Spoiler: yes, it did).
To keep legibility, I always add the images at the bottom and reference them from the text.
Eventually I want to try using Microsoft Whiteboard but I'm waiting to buy the Surface Pen before I try it out.
Too expensive by half, and I don't think it is client side encrypted which is a deal breaker for anything sensitive. I really enjoy the simplicity though, great for checklists, writing papers, and all those little rare but important non-calendar based lists, ie. books to read, music to buy, etc.
My ideal note-app would be like workflowy, but allow de-hierarch-ising the list mentality. I mean, workflowy is basically a database back end and I can link tags between lists. But why not just have all the tags separate in the first place? You could have the constructed hierarchy tree to the left (ie bullet list), and the links tree to the right so you can see how the entries both compose and decompose.
The idea is that the issue with tags is they can be difficult to trace to all their referenced locations. I find myself not using them because they are difficult to keep track of.. you can't 'see' them at a glance.
But we don't need to see all the referenced locations, just the tree which leads away from the item you are looking at. So you get strict split between, and easy to understand, [left / right], [hierarchy / reference] organisation. Would make it easy to position and re-reference information. And would let you see referencing visually. Below for a really rough idea of what I am talking about.
- list 1 - sub-list 1 - item A | - sub-list 1 - list 1
- item B |
- item C | - sub-list 1
| \ sub-list 3 - list 2
- sub-list 2 - item D | - sub-list 2 - list 1
| \ sub-list 3 - list 2
- item E |
- item F | - sub-list 4 - list 2
- list 2 - sub-list 3 - item G | - sub-list 3 - list 2
- item C | - sub-list 1 - list 1
| \ sub-list 3 - list 2
- item D | - sub-list 2 - list 1
| \ sub-list 3 - list 2Two things I dislike though, 1) as far as I can tell the dates/times can't trigger notifications. 2) the paid plan is expensive.. they give so much away for free, but then charge a lot for seemingly little. A $3/m tier is a good price point imo for a todo app. Right now it costs basically the same as Netflix..
For anything more technical I use Quiver which supports MarkDown, code with pretty printing, LaTex and diagram markup, but it doesn't have an iPad editor (just reader).
From various Apple support forum requests it seems that a lot of people were having similar - but also a number were totally unaffected.
Any suggestions?
tell application "Notes" to get body of every note
You might of course want to build a little around this — save the results, etc.Same goes for the Markdown. Maybe some people find Markdown codes scattered all over the place "beautiful", but I don't.
Bear also doesn't handle images very well, at least on iOS (I don't remember how it behaves on the Mac). Images are rendered full width. You can't create nice grids of images like you can with Evernote.
As others have mentioned, organization can feel like a bit of a pain sometimes with how you have to organize with tags, but it hasn’t really hindered me as much as I thought it would.
I'm also using another method of note taking, which I prefer more, but which is not always accessible on the go. I stumbled upon a script here and modified it a little. (changed vim to nano and added some other):
#! /bin/bash
fpath=$HOME/notes.md
if [ "$1" == "cat" ]; then
cat "$fpath"
exit 0
elif [ "$1" == "rg" ]; then
rg "$2" "$fpath"
elif [ "$1" == "nano" ]; then
nano "$fpath"
elif [ "$1" == "--help" ]; then
printf 'Commands: \n-----------------------------------------------\n
$ notes \n
$ notes --help\t\t--\tdisplay this help\n
$ notes date\t\t--\tadd date row to notes\n
$ notes <text>\t\t--\tadd new entry \n
$ notes cat\t\t--\tprint notes using cat\n
$ notes rg <pattern>\t--\tripgrep notes\n
Remember to use #tags (for easier grepping)!\n\n'
elif [ "$1" == "date" ]; then
{
echo ''
echo '# '"$(date +"%m-%d-%Y-%T")"
echo '-'
} >> "$fpath"
elif [ "$1" == "" ]; then
less +G "$fpath"
else
{
echo ''
echo "$@"
echo ''
} >>"$fpath"
fi
In short, writing $ notes prints out displays the notes and writing $ notes <text> appends a new line. This is extremely powerful because of it's simplicity and easy accessibility in terminal (where I spend most of the time anyway)edit:: formatting edit2::
I very often keep this (with extended bash history) to keep notes about long commands I need to use later in the future, but not often. One had to do with imagemagick and resizing/compressing bunch of images in a directory. Added tags #imagemagick #command and in split of second I can get the command again whenever needed ;)
Lets take another monster, Visual Studio Code. Its installation is 72mb, but i get so much more installing it including markdown editor.
Why install a single-purpose Markdown editor when you already have VSCode installed that is an excellent Markdown editor plus a lightweight IDE for nearly every language ever?
One tool, one job is fine for things that actually stick to the Unix principle and keep it lightweight and minimal. Single-purpose apps should be aiming at the 10MB mark, not 100MB. At 100MB+, you can probably find a multipurpose app to do the same job just as well if not better.
Because life is short.
Then why are you using Windows (dozens of Gb) and not Ubuntu (<5 Gb) or Debian (<1 Gb)?
(And this is coming from a guy that used to program entirely on text editors, because I didn't like how bloaty Eclipse was... I'm not deaf to your plight. I'm just curious that the idea of others making trade offs is so foreign to you.)
I know you're not suggesting everything needs to be perfect. We just have different lines we draw where our UX outweighs things like RAM or disk space. For me, if it gives a great UX, 75MB is a tiny fraction of my RAM, I'd gladly pay it.
Besides, I'm only going to have one copy of this thing running. If it was 75MBx25 or something then I'd be concerned, but 75x1? meh.
Notepad can't do any of that.
Do you also complain about the size of blue-ray movies, when .txt documents are so much smaller?
This is extremely handy!
This is your core note-taking system that will last longer than you.
On top of that use any app or editor you fancy. I'm on a Mac, I use iaWriter as my markdown editor (I love that you can drag and drop images into the files), houdahspot to search, Monosnap to take screenshots. And a few OSX tags. But I expect all this to change anytime.
I have around 15 years worth of notes and journalling entries and this setup has emerged as the clear winner. If you care at all about long-levity, I highly advise against proprietary data formats.
I understand when it started but why now it has to be a single page JS powered app which comes with so many restrictions.
Nothing beats the fact I can use it instantly across all devices (not Apple-only) and it's free.
One thing that bothers me is the time for starting a new note in Google Docs - quite a few seconds. But there's probably a VSCode extension for that.
My issue with Keep is that in my experience, if you aren’t religious with organization, it gets out of hand and unuseable fast.
iCloud's website does not work on Android devices. You can't even use "Find My iPhone" on a friend's device if you lose yours.
I especially like being able to add any type of element (code, image, video, todo) to any page, the drag-and-drop reordering, and that I can export everything to Markdown if they ever go under because they (inexplicably) decided to remove limits on mobile users.
So, how do you all deal with plain text notes? If you had a good WYSIWYG editor that fits in your workflow, would you switch?
Before going full Org Mode, I used MS OneNote, and liked it very much. My notes from that period has tons of images and annotated screenshots dumped into them. I miss that in my Emacs workflow nowadays. My dream software would be pieces of Org Mode on a OneNote-like canvas, with support for easily pasting images and drawing on them (especially using a graphics tablet, or at least a touchscreen). And of course with plaintext format (though the attachments could go into directories, automatically managed by the notetaking software).
things that should be encrypted are either gpg encrytped or put in my password manager.
Bonus if you format your plain text with markdown or asciidoc or whatever your fav. plain text markup language is.
Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be.
Put it in a VCS for super double bonus points :)
me personally: Vim, asciidoc and in a fossil repo.
Edit: and there is![1] I'm definitely using this.
- Markdown rendering can be done with pandoc
- Structure and search can be done with a solid file structure and grep
- Sync can be done with git or any other syncing solution out there.
- Encryption can be done with gpg (vim-gnupg)
Serious question: What feature is missing from this workflow (assuming the audience are developers)?
Oh and forwarding emails, adding todos and have them show up as due today, sorted, etc.
The last part could be scripted somewhat easily.
You're missing a big part: user experience.
Everything you said, sure, that's great. But the majority of developers (or really just people in general) don't want to spend their time learning each one of those things and trying to piece something together when a single app can do it good enough for them.
I too stopped using a dedicated note taking app but I already understand how to use markdown, git, etc. But for the average user or the user who just wants something to work without trying to look up multiple things or, hell, even the user who wants access on all of their devices like a phone, this solution make absolutely no sense.
I tried this solution as well, but I missed one core feature of Evernote, that you can search by tags or keywords, and it instantly list all related notes.
[1] https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/notes
[2] https://f-droid.org/en/packages/it.niedermann.owncloud.notes...
When I'm on my phone I use Google Keep. What I love about it are the colored background, tile view and checklists. I wish Keep allowed inline embedding of images.
Apple Notes for the rest.
I honestly didn't realize how much I was using Apple Notes on iOS and Mac, until recently. The ability to create folders, and iCloud sync (after it became useful enough) are amazing.
I only wish Apple Notes would get a lot more features similar to Google Doc, but at that point it'd be an another replacement for Apple Pages.
I was never hooked to Evernote, despite the amount of traction it got. So I'm not sure if Notes on iOS and mac will be a good replacement for Evernote users though.
Unless I write it myself, but I'm trying hard to avoid that temptation, as are probably half the people commenting here.
For longer-form stuff (brainstorms mostly) I switch to Markdown in whichever text editor I'm using that day, and... ooh I'm setting myself up here... Dropbox.
Outliners are good for noting ideas. It makes you think more structural and organized. The less bullet you spend, the simple the idea becomes, that way reading it requires less energy.
I use Dynalist because of the reasons above and its mobile app is 10/10.
Though, I guess I'll run into an issue if I need to edit this on mobile at some point.
It's been tough to find the exact right note tool for myself. Might end up going with synced .txt files instead, who knows.
Still like the look of this for more detailed "overview" type of notes or brainstorming
I'm in the process of teaching myself Emacs because I like the idea of simple txt notes (org-mode) but I'm visual in my learning so treesheets works for me.
I find myself in a lot of situations where information isn't coming to me in a particularly organised fashion - interviews, presentations with several presenters, being on the receiving end of braindumps, etc. For those situations, I really need a mindmap app to be able to reorganise information with minimal effort into a structure that makes sense to me. It's a not-cheap, Apple-only app, but it can output into a variety of formats if I want to consume it on some other platform.
It also works well as a presentation tool if I don't know the audience's knowledge level. Rather than be tied into e.g a sequence of slides, using a mindmap tool I can skip over stuff the audience already knows, while still having the content there (just not visible) if I need to drill down deeply. I can go from receiving an unstructured braindump to presenting that same info in an organised fashion within a few minutes
I used to use Freemind and Freeplane, but the lack of an iOS option was a killer.
For most other situations, I find Evernote is great
I personally seem to gravitate towards OneNote for pure note taking. I personally like Notion.so more for notes that refer to tasks, using Notionas more of a task management and organization app vs pure note taking.
Outliner is a great app for quick note taking in nested format.
They've helped me organise my life - I've built a small personal "wiki" of study notes, WIP writing, calendar plans & email drafts.
I recently persuaded a friend to get it (so we can collaboratively work on a startup idea) and it's worked really smoothly. We both love it. Can't recommend enough.
They have fantastic customer support -- try emailing them?
It ticks a lot of the boxes other people mention in this thread: markdown for interoperability, filebased and quick searches.
Good to see the best features of Notational Velocity being carried forward. I like the sound of iCloud syncing, too.
I have used many other options, but Notes works best.
As I’m fully in the Apple ecosystem I now just use Apple Notes and in all honesty am totally happy with it. It’s fairly simple but does everything I need for free.
I also use Notability on the iPad for when I want to scribble something with the Apple Pencil and am also quite happy with that!
Too invested in the Google ecosystem to also depend on Dropbox.
I have tried some folder sync apps, but I prefer not to depend on those either.
Honestly it’s pretty good. I am much more productive than on paper.
On laptop or desktop I stick with vim and copy to Word if required. I use Inkscape for diagrams.
So you write something, circle it and move it to the right spot.
If your brain works in chaotic ways at times it is such a cool feature to just write/dump everything and then order it later.
Also excellent for drawing diagrams and mockups and all kinds of other flows that require expansion or significant change later on.
Using the pen/ipad combo feels quite natural to write so this has been my solution for a while and has stuck more than any solution I have tried over the past 20 years aside from regular pen/paper.
https://medium.goodnotes.com/the-6-best-styluses-for-note-ta...
It would also be nice with a good editor that was somewhat Dropbox aware, so I had fewer edit conflicts between my laptop and phone..
Also, what do you mean by "Dropbox-aware"? It's all just files after all.
I use Brackets and Typora to edit .md files on pc/mac/linux. I find image handling in .md files fairly simple as long as you maintain an appropriate folder structure on the backend. Typora makes this especially easy.
I would like to build a better self-hosted tagging/viewing program for my huge cache of notes - something like Google Keep without being, well, Google. Turtl comes closest to my needs, but the lack of import/export at this point is a problem. I do not wish to be tied to a particular format or storage space.
Except, annoyingly, Google Docs.
I wound up writing a Quiver-alike for the windows/linux world at work.
pros:
* open source
* stored as a bunch of linked text files
* can version control with git
* wysiwyg markdown(media-wiki syntax) editor
* The files can live anywhere (say, the Dropbox folder)
* The files are plain text
* The markup is minimal and there is UI for it
* The app is a bit old-school - none of the flat ui, panes, online-email-style stuff. No Electron.
All good so far. Yet the app forces the user to organize stuff into linked pages. Let's see whether I have the patience to stick with it.
Saved me a couple times with re-occurring or forgettable issues.
Recently with Virtual Box I needed to install the Intel USB 3.0 driver when spinning up an old WES7 VM. Had the note and the executable right there.
* manage to-do-lists based on the page they occur, and/or their tags, deadlines and priority level.
* table of contents for a larger one page note
* auto git add/commit upon application start
What I would love to see is:
* automated and robust git push/pull with GUI based conflict resolvement so I could collaborate with colleagues who are not too comfi with git using zim
* organize pages using a nested tag structure (like gmail lables) instead of folder structure.
My TODO lists with tickboxes are in Zim. (use [] to make a box). This way I can check what tasks are left and which are done. When the list of "done"-tasks grows, I move those to an own page to declutter and have a searchable history.
When I read an interesting paper or book, I add summaries to be reviewed later. When I develop, I build "case files" of things I am doing (e.g. set of commands, replies from a device, mini-HOWTOs, observations). Often these can be communicated to other people after a little polish.
One problem is that some notes tend to become spread out and somewhat chaotic, especially when having to multitask under time pressure. Many notes taken have little if any value after some weeks or months so I don't pay much attention to strict discipline there. Zim is essentially a somewhat messy lab journal intended for myself.
I find it is a computer tool that actually helps and encourages me to write and organize information and does not impede me in this activity. ("Clippings" together with a program called FinderNote on Mac OS Classic are another.)
Github repo with set-up instructions: https://github.com/fedwiki
Site with introductory information: http://fed.wiki.org/view/welcome-visitors
"Sandbox" to get a feel for how it works: http://sandbox.fed.wiki.org/view/welcome-visitors (NB: This is an older version of the software, but the core features are still pretty much the same.)
FinderNote for Mac OS Classic downloads:
https://www.macintoshrepository.org/1795-findernote-2-0
http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/findernote-20
Edit: Add FinderNote links.
1. Google Keep: For light weight temporary note taking - grocery items, during travel - hotel addresses, rental details etc. Where lighting quick sync is needed between web and mobile interface, for transferring data between my laptop and mobile.
2. Microsoft OneNote: For heavy duty archival note taking, where font formatting, picture and document embedding is a necessity. Which should be also available on mobile, but quick sync is not necessary.
[1] https://support.office.com/en-ie/article/insert-and-calculat...
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Specifically, the incremental reading feature and annotated notes. Essentially you can add an article like it's a flashcard, and then it'll schedule it for reviews, and you can even review your notes. If you need something specific, you can search for the note itself.
Although not ideal, I ended up with OneNote. Also for temporary notes, I use Trello (easily accessible from my mobile), but the notes don't live there for more than a week.
I like how many people advice to build your own system with git and markdown. Ideally, I want such a system to work quickly on non-cutting edge mobile and sync on the fly, so maybe that's an idea for a side project.
It allows you to very quickly do a full text search, it saves the files as plain text, it supports external editors (I use MacVim) and it syncs with simplenote.com so I can see my notes on NV on my various macs and the simplenote app on my phone. It's very minimal and I like it a lot.
For linux users, there is nvPy: https://github.com/cpbotha/nvpy It's a pretty ugly skin, but it works.
Out of curiousity, is there a more ideal format for import/export?
I suspect that turtl appeals to a lot of users with a large directory of plaintext notes who would be enticed to adopt the service if bulk textfile import were also streamlined. I hope the next release is a success!
mobile: termux + vim windows: cygwin vim chromeOS: crouton vim
Tried evil with OrgMode and deft but always come back to VimWiki
TiddlyWiki if only non-mobile
I have it convert all to HTML into syncthing folder, so I can access it read-only on mobile.
On Linux, which is my primary desktop, I use Ecco Pro on Wine.
If using OSX / IOS, I would recommend Omni Outliner.
Regarding two pane outliners vs singleness pane, I simply don't find the fragmentation of information across two panes intuitive. This may be subjective though. To me, having all information in a single tree, flows much better when brainstorming.
For Android, I don't have many good options for Outlining and therefore a regular note taker for now that's Evernote.
I prefer not having to use a bunch of tools for the same task, but here it seems like that's probably the best idea. Use a light note-taking app (or a physical notebook) to scribble things down, then enter it into a more repository-like software when I'm back at my computer.
On Windows: Ubuntu environment and vi
On Linux and BSD: vi
On phones and tablets: email client
Alternate for all platforms: email client
Good: Endless Clients, Rich Text/HTML, Images, Open Format, Searchable, Selfhosted, Sync with Mobile, Tags ..
Not Good: Only partially editable (drafts), ..?
I can then grep across the directory, or use VSC in built search in folder tool. I also get the formatting of markdown. It is already on my machine and usually already open and running.
No matter what I tried, a mind map app felt extremely natural. I just dump random bits of stuff into the map and it works.
If I’m not in my pc, always paper
Then bigger notes in devonthink because of its superb search and classification
So far I haven’t found any alternative that suits me better. I really like being able to use different notebooks for different purposes and being able to tag individual notes. (This is something that e.g. Apple’s Notes is missing.)
I won’t trust Evernote to stay around forever so my plan is to research alternatives in two years or so just to see if any good alternatives are available. (NTS: I should also make backups of my Evernote data...)
Tags also clutter notes. Do you put them at the beginning? At the end? Either way you will see the tags. Very strange for an app which boasts about providing "beautiful" notes.
Same goes for the Markdown. Maybe some people find Markdown codes scattered all over the place "beautiful", but I don't.
Bear also doesn't handle images very well, at least on iOS (I don't remember how it behaves on the Mac). Images are rendered full width. You can't create nice grids of images like you can with Evernote.
If only we could tag a paragraph too.
We've built Notejoy as a collaborative notes app. So it's not only great for personal notes, but also great for easily sharing notes with your team with real-time editing, @mentions, threaded comments, and more.
But also built with a lot of the productivity features you expect from a note-taking app, including Mac, Windows, iOS apps, keyboard shortcuts / markdown accelerators, syntax highlighting, clean distraction-free interface, and more.
For notes from online courses, I recently started using the stock Notes app on macOS/iOS because of the Pencil support on the iPad.
Not sure if this helps as I don't know what platform/editor you use and I wouldn't expect you to switch either for note taking :)
Thinking Notebook & Markdown IDE
MindForger is human mind inspired knowledge management tool which aims to connect the tradition of outline editors with emerging technologies. Its mission is to help you in organization of your knowledge and associated local, web and real world resources in a way that enables quick navigation, concise representation, automatic interconnections, associative completion and inferencing.
It´s available for every device, without limitation. There is also a Snap for Linux.
A lot of the stuff out there suffers from feature bloat and too much complexity.
I like Taskade because it's light weight and fast, and it's great for teams.
Boostnote can sync my notes with dropbox and supports markdown and code snippets with a nice desktop app and is free.
Slab has a collaboration functionality similar to google docs and it's easy to share notes with my team, with ok pricing.
I love the process of working with outlines. They're the perfect way to store information in an organized way.
There's a common outline storage format, OPML (Outline Processor Martup Language), which OmniOutliner exports to. So, if the Mac ever entirely disappears, or OmniOutliner's publisher (OmniGroup) goes out of business, you should be able to keep using your OO outlines on whatever platform you move to next. Also, OmniOutliner does run on the iPad today.
One tip which is key to my own use: use hashtags so that you can instantaneously find the outline heading for whatever notes you're looking for.
[1] https://discourse.omnigroup.com/t/does-omnioutliner-import-m...
(1) Can easily collaborate and share (2) Markdown syntax with LaTeX support (3) Embed images, youtube, PDF and lots of other stuff straight into the note. (4) Visually clean and elegant
The downsides are:
(a) No offline editing (only limited support on mobile) (b) Dependent on Dropbox Inc
https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Demo-of-Paper--AHs_Q3BsPSNjYAO...
sigh I am supposed to be a die hard open source guy. Well well maybe npt so much at the end of the day. Corporate life is all proprietery high end Oracle, SAS, IBM and Microsoft.
I as of recently also found out that VimWiki exists. I've started to use it because of the note linking capabilities. I'm starting to keep notes on events, certain tools, languages, and all other information I need in the wiki. It's also in Markdown which is nice.
Find tools that are close to what you want, and try to make your own suite. It may seem like a lot of work, but knowing your note taking solution inside and out can be very handy. When you're presented with something new that you don't know how to take down, you can evolve the system into being capable of handling it. Which you can do if you've make your own system, but using ready made solutions won't allow this.
I'm not sure if HTML outputs the paths the same way that the vimwiki does, could you possibly use relative links or something? I can't get HTML conversion to work for me right now for some reason. You could also possibly compile all the notes at once, and use sections to refer to certain files. Similar to how LaTeX outputs sections.
However, most of the time I just use paper. I generally use 200-ish page hardbound books with a narrow rule, and go through around 2 a year with work; entries are dated, volumes are dated when filled and filed away. I don't treat them with the full rigor that you would a real "lab notebook", but it's the same general idea.
For hobby use, I use similar books, but usually blank or graph lined.
For day-to-day reminders and such, I'm almost always carrying a little 50-cent spiral-bound notebook. When used up, remove the spring, toss the pages and cover into the recycle bin.
My use of software for note taking at this point is pretty much confined to initial research where I'm more interested in saving images and URLs than any actual details that might end up on paper later.
The notes side of it works well, and has enough markdown features to allow me to transfer all my GDrive notes to it.
Like others have mentioned, I get tired when apps and sites go unsupported or have shitty (if any) export features.
1. Project-related notes: I write those close to the source in a special `.todo` file highlighted with an extension I wrote [1].
2. Short-lived notes: I write those in my sticky notes app [2], which allows me to have different "categories" of notes while still requiring only a single window.
3. Long-lived notes: I write those in Evernote as well, and like many others here I've long searched for a replacement. I guess I'll have to code my own, I don't really need anything fancy, just an interface for searching and tagging markdown files.
[1] https://github.com/fabiospampinato/vscode-todo-plus [2] https://github.com/fabiospampinato/noty
After trying almost every application out there, and being a developer myself, I ended up writing a minimalist package for the Atom editor that I called "second memory". Base text format is markdown, it includes grammar / syntax highlight, and some "nice" and simple features like TODO items, stars, and some text widgets. I use it together with markdown-preview package and syncthing for keeping notes in sync across all my devices. If you like the Atom editor, you can take a look at it on https://atom.io/packages/secondmemory
Pros: - The developers offer a service where they will publish all notes as a book for a small fee. Exporting notes into physical media is a great way to ensure notes stay preserved into the future.
- They are available on most apple platforms (ipads, macOS, iphones) and the notes sync up between all of them. There is also an android app.
- The subscription isn’t expensive
Cons:
- Doesn’t support Windows
- The service to publish a book from notes is still in beta, has not worked well for me so far.
I have been using this app for making notes for about 8 months now and it’s been working great.
Onenote is good if you like organizing your notes hierarchically into notebooks, tabs, etc. They have apps for the different OS's.
Notes I'm going to share with others (e.g. interview notes, or important things to consider when we do X): Google Docs or Word (stored in corporate OneDrive), so that they're editable and people always have the latest version.
I tried Dynalist (workflowy clone) and like it, but somehow I stopped using it after using it regularly for a month or so. Not sure it's the product's fault, though.
That said, I've recently been using Notion for EVERYTHING at work, and now considering if I could do likewise for my personal notes/essays.
PS. It's funny how the intense competition between 'distraction-free' writing tools has almost become distracting in its own right.
Then I found Ulysses. I love the indexing of all the notes within folders, and the simplicity of the app.
I'm not a huge fan of the painfully slow pace of updates, especially when they're charging a subscription fee. The app is great though.
The problem with Notion is that on iOS it's a web-app, so it feels terrible to use. It white-screens while it reloads whenever you do any navigation, and doesn't support multi-tasking on iPad.
* having one document per recurring meeting kinda makes sense
* vaguely structured per meeting log kinda makes sense
* it is easy to share around/collaborate, as company has google-suite
* ability to make comments/edits is awesome when you collaborate remotely
* ability to assign tasks to people is nice, because it allowed us to track things that would be too light-weight for i.e. jira
For quick-notes, I usually use trello.
I thought I would be using org-mode and git more, but I haven't figured out a good sharing mechanism and I always forgot to push/sync my notes there.
In evernote, I can add new note very quickly via shortcut, search very quickly by tags or keywords, and also a lot of information fits on one screen. It's a unique mix of those conveniences which keeps me using Evernote.
Also, on Windows, what a lot of other apps lacks is that there isn't a native windows app. Then some things like hiding to system tray don't work, or the whole application looks just like a webpage.
Any important letters (or something I may want to refer back to later) I scan and email to myself. I used Evernote previously, the nice part is it OCRs the PDF so I can search text within them, but the workflow isn't that nice (and I'd prefer something self-hosted).
When I've asked before I've received recommendations for full blown enterprise document management systems, but all I want is something with an interface like Gmail for PDFs (I'm suprised Google themselves don't do this within Gmail).
At the moment I've settled on a three-tier system:
NVAlt - as a scratchpad, clipboard buffer and other transient notes.
Moo.do - for structured notes, Todo lists, reminders and agenda/scheduling
Dokuwiki - for long term knowledge base stuff and for documenting personal and home projects. Love this because my family can easily read and use it too.
I've tried loads of tools but I've stuck with this set longer than any other so far.
Dropbox lets me access files across devices. I got commit every day or so using another shell shortcut, which makes all of the markdown files readable on the GitHub UI.
I was getting tired of proprietary software solutions. This just works. If I wanted more advanced tooling, I would probably add a build system like Softcover.io.
I wish I could find a polished open source mind map tool.
I'm one of the devs, so ping me if you have questions.
I like DevonThink because it has good fuzzy searching. Good for finding articles that kept that kinda sorta has to do with the article you are currently writing.
https://www.devontechnologies.com/products/devonthink/overvi...
For projects I use plain txt files unless I really, really, really need something more complex
We're currently in a sort of soft launch phase. Working on a few more things before really doing a Show HN or product hunt.
Notes are saved in a standard format and can locked down in an instant simply by pulling the Tails USB from whatever device you happen to be using.
I for one trust Microsoft to provide me software to access my notes and cut me off, but nothing is too big to fall, so I'm thinking about switching to markdown + images scribbled with my pen.
For me, one reason I used Evernote for the longest time was so I could load my notes on my Pebble. This worked, but not consistently. Next best thing? Pen and paper.
Edit: forgot to mention it includes a buil-in chat that i use all the time with contractors
My solution was to knock up a web app in php (you can use the backend of your choice) that lets me create notes using markdown, these are auto saved to the server and browse-able via another php page.
Like a poor-mans markdown notepad, but online.
I just wished it had markdown support built in and also Syntax highlighting for code examples.
Unlike all the other text based alternatives this is virtual paper. It is best used with a device with a stylus (ex: Galaxy Note). The advantage is an infinite size canevas, and a high level of zoom.
When I finally did upgrade to their basic tier they kept spamming me to upgrade to their mid-level tier.
Uninstalled it shortly after that.
Please don’t pester your paying users.
For pen-and-paper notes, Apple Pencil, iPad Pro, and GoodNotes with iCloud sync & Dropbox backup is a great choice.
Lots of features. No ads. Apache Licensed.
It's a mess. And I have a standard paper logbook, its primary purpose is to organize thoughts in reunions.
Mostly Quiver (or Boostnote) with the files backed up to a remote git repo. Added benefit of being a format that is not locked in and can be parsed out later if required.
But I am aware that in twenty years from now none of these tools might be alive anymore. I keep exporting and backing up my data because of this. And my backlog of "to be migrated" grows longer and longer.
For now I find it more convenient to use a tool with a sleak interface that offer all the features I need in a "personal wiki" / note taking app: inserting screenshots into notes (this is a killer feature for me), beutifully rendering my markdown text, fulltext search, nested folders (or tags in Bear lingo), syncing across all my devices. The alternative is too cumbersome: For instance Emacs/Org + rgrep + Dropbox for syncing + git + a bunch of .emacs entries that allow me to insert screenshots.
Edit: Forgot to mention IdeaNote. Used it when I tried to replace my iPhone with a BlackBerry device. Excellent app. I could create super long and time stamped journal entries / logs / notes on the superb keyboard of the BB device in seconds (never got used to typing on a touchscreen). But eventually the BB got abandonware itself. And so the app. Luckily I could pay 50$ to export my 3k notes. Migrated them successfully to Evernote with a bit of Ruby script.
Edit 2: Lesson learned for me: No tool is going to be there forever. Need to have a clear concept for how I will keep my data independent from tools du jour.
It's pretty pricey though: $80 if you get it for all your devices.
It seems to be undergoing a lot of development right now as well.
Works on Android, IOS, Mac, Windows, Linux, etc
Is there another editor that does this?
* Everyday I use https://marxi.co to write my technical work journals in Markdown (with nice extensions like flowcharts) that gets rendered into rich text format within Evernote
* I archive and tag each article I read with the Evernote Web Clipper, because URLs always go stale so you want your own copy.
* Evernote works with https://ifttt.com so it integrates seamlessly with my other applications and workflows
* Evernote is also capable of OCR within PDFs if you use the paid pro version.
* This means that all sorts of note taking is in a single place, making it a breeze to quickly search.
I pay for Evernote to get around the device limit, offline usage etc, as the free version is pretty crippled. I know there are definitely cheaper alternatives in terms of price, but I feel it's worth it for all the features available because I value my precious time, which I don't want to consume more of to maintain the same set of features using FOSS alternatives. Good thing is that Evernote allows export to a human readable archive format which I use to ensure that I have a personal copy of the notes to prevent vendor lock-in.
EDIT: Just formatting
2. docs.google.com
3. github.com/<username>/<repo name>/wiki
all cloud solutions, latter 2 have versioning
- Google Docs
The solution I have is that there is no gold bullet when it comes to notetaking. They all have problems. You just have to try many different methods and solutions to see what works, based on how you organize things, and the way you think.
Personally, I have found a blogpost here that encapsulates mostly everything I do after 4 years of notetaking. http://devonzuegel.com/post/memex-my-personal-knowledge-base.
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I use dynalist.io personally as my notetaking app. It supports features like codesnippets as well with a 3rd party extension. You can find how I organize it on my blog http://vincentmtang.com/2017/06/24/how-i-use-dynalist-io/
To give you a quick gist of it this is how I organize things on dynalist
- Journal (New items added uptop)
- Courses (New items added at bottom)
- Ideas if I have nothing else to do (New items added uptop)
- Everything else (Meeting notes / Collaboration)
There was a lot of psychology and research that I did personally detailing what goes on behind why I chose things this way. It mostly deals with a 2x2 selection matrix I made called UPIE (structured vs unstructured, internal vs external).
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Second, I organize writing in its own form via wordpress.
- Drafts / Ideas for writing (40+ drafts atm)
- One time posts (write everything in an hour or two and post, regardless of grammatical issues)
Third, I also use github for SVN control on larger repositories. Everything goes either in the `C:\www` folder based on PHP best practices (I don't write in php). Also, I have a folder called `C:\dropbox\github` for repos that are small in file (e.g. no node modules) and SVN control is too burdonsome to deal with. I use an extension called "markdown preview enhanced"(MPE) which in all of my research of markdown, is the best markdown extension to date on VScode and atom
Fourth, I use codepen similar to how I organize evernote. I have over 2500 notes on evernote so I know what the best practices here are. Each codepen file = one evernote note. I tag things, and search through it via as I normally would in evernote. I follow the "microsite" ideas heavily from chris coyier https://css-tricks.com/microsites-for-case-studies/. I find I am able to talk hours maybe days explaining how complex some of my private codepens are for the project I'm working on, to get a better relay this information about my skillsets as a frontend dev.
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Fifth, I have several other methods of organizingi things in general. I call it "self-data-collection" methods that I made up myself. For instance,
- Youtube video I've watched so I can check a log of videos I've looked up and limit search queries to just that. I have a system of bookmarking and commenting useful things here.
- Hackernews posts I've read for more than 30 seconds, so I can see it under `myusername/comments`.
- Stackoverflow posts. Upvote so I know what the best solution is to the question, namely so I can also keep track of what I've read as well that was helpful in obscure solutions and tech
- Google maps. If you looked at my local area maps on my account, I have about 200 stars and indexed / cataloged what each business is for. Hackerspaces, startup studios, areas with freewifi for working with laptops (coffee shops, bookstores), etc
- Shopping / Physical goods. I have a 2500 (limit of wishlist count) and another 1000+ ongoing list on amazon. I have different ways of searching through this so I can cross-pollinate different ideas from different industries. For instance, xbox controllers used in space/engineering simulations
- Lastpass. I manage about 200 account emails here
LASTLY I have some support systems
- Anki for flashcard and SRS (space repetition learning) among other things
- A list of 700+ applications I used on alternativeto.net at one point. I wrote 200 + reviews of these so I know why I did or did not like them, so I don't need to repeat the errors I made previously
- 700+ stars I bookmarked on github for ideas on opensource libraries to use, depending on project need. I fork it if its worth investing into
- A list of bookmarking system on google bookmarks based on emojis for quicker ways to grok what folder I want to look for. I organize it A-Z
- Different browsers for different functionality
- customized toolbar and spacers inbetween software apps for faster visual grouping identification
- Directory Opus for my file explorer. Apple Mac's have a significantly better native file explorer system and some apps, but directoryOpus bridges that gap for windows
- 100 + macros managed by phrase-express. I have a blog post about it here http://vincentmtang.com/2018/05/31/14-useful-phrase-express-...
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I could go on all day but I will leave it at that, to answer your question blankly I use mostly dynalist.io and a bunch of other things I slew together. I call it my "SOP" or standard operating procedures which ended up being several pages long. Its constantly evolving but now I just commit things to memory based on some industrial engineering practices I learned called LEAN for identifying and mapping value streams based on best business practices. This is something I do natively now and don't think very hard into, it mostly stems from how I used to run my own virtual business starting in middle school.
Lastly, I am writing my own notetaking software as well and I am not going to say more than this, but its mostly based on pitfalls I found in the above writing I wrote.
Notetaking requires a set of principlces that you need to follow as well as rigirous daily practice to enforce principlces of accountability. I do daily sprints here normally too in dynalist under journal section
What and how you use software vastly depends on what your field of interests is as well. I personally don't get too invested in tooling despite everything I stated above, there's a really good quote from one of my favorite youtubers "MJP funfunfunction" -> e.g. "Everything has a maintenance cost. The pros of that software needs to outweigh the cons of maintenance and debugging". This means you won't ever probably hear me talking about org-mode/linux/vim/emacs because I honestly like the simplicity of my GUI tools on windows.
Also, because I know what an optimized approach is to notetaking I can also identify based on metadata which people are worth following. I use twitter to keep a list of these people
I run backups of long posts I make here on pinboard.in using a keyboard shortcut
The approach I take to formatting long text mostly stems from how I've seen people use reddit to organize their public posts / notes in markdown format
Unlimited hierarchical lists. Fully controllable via keyboard.
* cherrytree
* syncthing
* git
My new employer provided a tablet PC with a stylus running Windows and [OneNote](https://products.office.com/en-US/onenote). Taking notes on that system with excellent handwriting recognition was a revelation. The tablet was pretty clunky by today's standards, but it worked well. It was particularly useful for generating meeting notes in real time and projecting them during meetings.
After moving to another employer, I no longer had access to such a tablet but used [TiddlyWiki](https://tiddlywiki.com) to keep my notes. It was great until the number of notes became large (in the thousands).
After that, I became an early adopter of [Evernote](https://evernote.com). It was an adequate note-taking app, but the killer feature for me was searching for text in images. At that time, we put meeting notes up on a whiteboard. After the meeting, I could take a picture of the whiteboard, insert it in Evernote, and search it any time after that. I maintained a subscription to Evernote until the end of 2016 until they got squirrely about their subscriptions and some privacy issues.
After several years absence, I went back to TiddlyWiki. It was very much improved. But after importing thousands of notes, it became too slow at editing. The search was on for another system.
I looked at several open-source tools under active development:
* [TreeSheets](http://strlen.com/treesheets/) has been around a long time and has some unique features for organizing your information. * [CherryTree](https://www.giuspen.com/cherrytree/) it has been around for quite some time. Very long feature list. Very long wishlist too. * [BoostNote](https://github.com/BoostIO/Boostnote) bills itself as a note-taking app for programmers. It has clients for lots of platforms and can keep them all in sync. * [iA Writer](https://ia.net/writer) is very focused on writing.
I committed to [Collate](https://collatenotes.com) for awhile, even bought a license, but development seemed to stop shortly after I paid for it. And it keeps asking me to re-enter my license key. So, slowly moving off of it. And no more closed-source apps.
These days, my notes usually start short and then get longer and more detailed over time. Often they include mathematics, so typesetting math is crucial to me. Joplin fills the bill very well. It's almost perfect for me. But linking to other notes is a bit clumsy.
I set up a self-hosted [MediaWiki](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki). It did everything I wanted (and way more) but was more cumbersome to administer than I wanted to deal with.
What I finally ended up doing was writing my own wiki.
* It uses a version of Markdown that can typeset math (_via_ [MathJax](https://www.mathjax.org)) and accepts wikilink syntax as well. * Syntax highlighting for program snippets. * It seems to be cross-platform. (I started development on Windows, now do it on macOS, and can (but shouldn't) self-host it on a Linux server. * It runs on a desktop. (I can't read long notes with math on a phone and tablets are pushing it a bit with my poor vision.) * It's written in Clojure and ClojureScript, languages I enjoy working with. * The editor I wrote has a real-time preview (but the scroll bars don't' sync yet.) * The editor is compatible with Grammarly, so I get some help with my atrocious spelling and grammar. * All data is stored locally in a SQL database but can be exported to Markdown files with one keystroke. * Pages can be exported with YAML so that they can be imported directly to my blog. * and on and on.
Another option that might be useful is a [Jupyter](http://jupyter.org) notebook. It looks interesting, but I don't really have much experience with it. There's even a [kernel for Clojure](https://github.com/clojupyter/clojupyter) that I want to check out.
If you have the interest and the desire, I encourage you to look into writing your own tool. It isn't as hard as you might imagine just to get something working. It is incredibly hard to polish things to just the shininess you might want, but that's part of the fun.