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If you want a low stress good paid job, where you would be able to rush home at 5pm, then yes.

If you are looking for excitement, learn $hype_of_the_year and join a startup, but be ready to learn $hype_of_the_next_year soon.

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> If you want a low stress good paid job, where you would be able to rush home at 5pm, then yes.

Those aren't exclusive, you can do something exciting, join a startup, learn $hype_of_the_year and still work for a place that understands that burning out employees is stupid.

It's perfectly reasonable to work for a place that is both exciting and doesn't make you sacrifice your personal life because they acknowledge that it's bad for business.

You're right. I wish more startup CEOs agreed with you.

I work with TypeScript, Golang and Java and I find Java the most exciting. There are a few or several libraries for everything, each of them well polished, new great features coming to Java language and JVM every 6 months, great support on every platform, many build tools to choose, that are easy to use. Things like GraalVM, local type inference, Jigsaw, SpringBoot and Jenkins make Java top language you can use these days.

I played around with ES6 and TS for a year and coming back to Java was not pleasant. The functional aspect of JS/TS is something I cannot get on Java, even with streams on Java 8. Just doesn't feel right.

Try RxJava or JINQ! I believe RxJava was actually first, RxJs being a port of that, if you would believe it :) .

Oddly enough most of the startups around where I am at have been based on Rails. Some people use Node as well. That’s about as $hype_of_the_year as it gets here.

Where is that?

Columbus, OH

I think Rails/NodeJS are the most popular choices for startups everywhere in the world. Both technologies are made for lean development.

Node.js is 9 years old and is also very stable with a large ecosystem. It's far from "hype train" in 2018 and it's more the mature technology - though it's still moving fast forward with new tools and paradigms it's very stable.

There's an argument to be made that Java positions are the easiest to fill with lower waged visa or offshore workers, meaning that you have to maintain an extremely high proficiency, move into management, or be under constant threat that your job will be outsourced.

I think it might be the other way round these days. Java programmers are outsourced because they're so expensive. Javascript seems like the best target now for low-skill outsourcing. Much lower barrier to entry, and arguably a much more forgiving language

I think you're right when it comes to the lower tier of JS developers, but IMHO there are a lot less middle tier devs per-capita in JS than Java. Proficient fullstack JS is a very in-demand skillset right now, and if you're an expert you can find a new, high paying job, in just about any mid-tier tech town in 48 hours.

I'm in a startup using Java.

Java 10?

Yes, along with javafx, jetty, Jersey, and web sockets.

Startups, assuming SV internet flavor startups, their tech stack is pretty standardized nowadays.

Python/Ruby/Node/Java, could cover like 99% of them maybe. Don't really see where the excitement is.

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