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I'll use the previous statements one at a time to build a case. I'll use only the statements that you have said or accepted. Everything I'm typing, has been said before.

People who are fine with their apps don't write reviews.

Ten percent of the user base (at most) write reviews.

This includes the people who want to complain more than the people who don't.

In this ten percent a fraction of reviews are negative.

A fraction of ten percent of the total users feel negatively about the app.

This is a rare occurrence.

If you feel I've misquoted any part then I apologize.

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> People who are fine with their apps don't write reviews.

This is obviously incorrect since you can see positive reviews, many of them in fact, on many apps. I myself have posted positive reviews... not sure when you thought I agreed to this.

That alone pretty much kills your whole theory. Sorry but I still don’t agree with you and I think you’re really reaching here. Most importantly though, you have presented zero evidence in favor of your claims.

Positively reviewed is someone who likes the app. I was very careful with my language to avoid this confusion. I said people who are fine with their app.

OK and I’ve seen plenty of 2.5 - 3 star reviews where people were just fine with the app too. Same thing with products on Amazon. I’ve also left review such as this myself.

People like sharing their experiences with others. They’ve been doing it for thousands of years. Go figure.

Care to try again?

I guess since you've seen 3 star reviews my argument collapses on itself. If only you hadn't seen those pesky 3 star reviews. What a compelling argument.

"I've seen 3 star reviews so it must be true, because I've seen 3 star reviews, personally"

I’ve written them personally. You can also go and look at some of them yourself. That’s what empirical means.

The mere existence of data is not the same as empiricism.

The definition of empirical is: “based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.”

Was there a salient point that you were trying to make or are you just going to continue to misrepresent definitions of words that you can easily look up for yourself?

Oh my god. Are you serious? This entire debate and your source has been the Oxford dictionary? The Oxford dictionary?

Empiricism is a view of epistemology, that cannot be reduced to a definition in the Oxford dictionary.

If you look at the link below, you'll see just how murky the field of empiricism is.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logical-empiricism/#EmpVe...

I'm sorry for assuming you were speaking with any depth when talking about empiricism. If your base entire arguments on dictionary definitions then it's no surprise this conversation is going in circles.

Pointing out the simple, obvious definition is still better than any argument that you’ve made about anything here, IMO.

I’d love to hear you make an argument that will shed light on things from your knowledge of the “murky the field of empiricism” though. Let’s hear it!

So far all of you’ve done is point out what it is. I don’t think you really explained how it helps your case at all. How does it invalidate the easily observable fact that you can see plenty of people leaving reviews for apps that they are just fine with?

You said people don’t leave those types of reviews but there they are. So what are you going to say that makes them somehow disappear? Really, I’d like to understand. Do we really need Plato though to explore this? I think if you really understand something you should be able to explain in pretty simple terms.

You crossed repeatedly into incivility in this thread as well as perpetuating a boring tit-for-tat flamewar. Since you've ignored numerous requests to stop breaking the site guidelines, I've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

This is the sort of boring tit-for-tat flamewar that we don't want here, and that ultimately ends up with people yelling uncivilly at each other. Please don't do this again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Ah my bad. Sorry.

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