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Meh... as a portable device optimized for scrolling endless social media streams with baby/cat pics - maybe... This or MBP, there's little difference, but phones and tables are way better for that anyway.

In the world of "best laptops" as in "devices we use to make stuff" it's awlays been Thinkpads competing against each other for the top spot. You can't be called even a GOOD laptop without [1] and [2]

[1] https://i.stack.imgur.com/zS1SJ.png

[2] https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TTh3Xi4N6cw/WUGdgdnYjzI/AAAAAAABd...

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>In the world of "best laptops" as in "devices we use to make stuff" it's awlays been Thinkpads competing against each other for the top spot.

To make what stuff? Because most top-tier programmers whose stuff we actually use, use Macbooks -- just check the laptops of the headliners and speakers at any dev conference -- heck, even Linus has a history of them (running Linux in his case).

As for creatives (musicians, graphic designers, etc, there's no comparison what they use to "make stuff with").

>You can't be called even a GOOD laptop without [1] and [2]

Those are abominations in the eyes of all that's holy.

Macbook trackpad >>> track point and physical buttons.

Oh how I disagree.

But I suppose that's the crux, it's subjective.

RE: Thinkpads though, the quality has been declining rather rapidly since 2011. For this specific feature (trackpoint) the Dell Business line (Latitude) has that: https://img.purch.com/o/aHR0cDovL2Nkbi5sYXB0b3BtYWcuY29tL2lt...

Rusty nails jammed into a parallel port to bit-bang cardinal directions >>> track point.

I prefer the track pad as well. It might be your delivery rather than the message which is being downvoted.

Vertical 5 button mouse and an OS that can actually handle it (Windows) >>> trackpad and Mac OS.

For cruising the web nothing beats a Chromebook. I came to that conclusion after seeing my latest cheap Windows laptop become unusable over time with slowdowns. Now when I travel and don't need to do any work, it's a Chromebook all the way. The one I got came with a wireless mouse so I don't have to worry about how good the trackpad is.

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