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Elon Musk ordered Tesla engineers to stop doing a critical brake test on Model 3

businessinsider.com

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There doesn't seem to be much actual content here. The article states "Tesla CEO Elon Musk appears to have" without ever mentioning what caused them to believe Elon Musk is involved. Then it states "It's not clear how many cars, if any, have left the station without doing this test."

So, they not only have no evidence Elon Musk is involved in this, but have no evidence that proper testing has been skipped on cars. And then they go ahead and title the article "Elon Musk ordered Tesla engineers to stop doing a critical brake test on Model 3s".

Stop it with the bullshit clickbait headlines. It's bad enough having them completely permeate politics, but now that it's becoming so widespread in other areas is just proving how correct people like Elon Musk are in their criticism of the media.

> So, they not only have no evidence Elon Musk is involved in this, but have no evidence that proper testing has been skipped on cars

"Tesla CEO Elon Musk appears to have asked engineers at Tesla's factory in Fremont, California, to remove a standard brake test ... according to internal documents seen by Business Insider."

"The test was apparently shut down before 3 a.m. on June 26, according to a person familiar with the matter."

They have a source who provided documentary evidence.

"In a statement, a Tesla representative, Dave Arnold, told Business Insider that every car goes through 'rigorous quality checks,' including brake tests."

Tesla did not deny the story, which pretty much confirms it.

If it shut down on June 26th we can guesstimate the number of cars not tested to be 4000-5000

How many of the recent negative Tesla accounts would you say are "bullshit clickbait"?

I have no clue. It's too hard to tell the fake content (or similarly exaggerated content) from the real content (that actually matters and is mostly true) unless you devote a lot of your time to it, and I usually try to focus on other things besides reading about Tesla.

In general I try to read articles with much more skepticism now, regardless of what narrative they're trying to push.

That seems to be the current trend for business insider at the moment. The article is usually only a slightly fleshed out version of the headline with little actual content or reporting.

Wow.... a whole lot of speculation, a screenshot likely taken out-of-context, and a lot of FUD. BusinessInsider is getting the clicks though. Best quote ever: "It's not clear how many cars, if any, have left the station without doing this test."

It's stuff like this that makes me actually believe Musk when he talks about people actively campaigning against Telsa. [1]

1. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/15/elon-musk-said-tesla-short-s...

Businessinsider's articles against Tesla by my experience are just low-quality bait.

I have learned not to trust them, like I have stopped trusting the WSJ after their senseless campaigns against some YouTubers.

Bloomberg on the other hand seem to know what they're talking about on Tesla.

If it was FUD Tesla would have denied it.

Tesla responded with spin and a refusal to deny which is confirmation in the minds of anyone who is used to dealing with corporate PR.

> If it was FUD Tesla would have denied it.

Have you ever denied being the mastermind behind 9/11?

Must be true, then.

The leaks, they keep on coming for Tesla. Tesla employees seem genuinely worried about shortcuts, despite taking pride in being associated with the most innovative automaker of our times. I believe Musk should heed to concerns, instead of foaming at the press, or branding concerned employees 'disloyal'

Can Musk be sued personally for cases of faulty brakes (if any)?

I have the opposite opinion. The press has gone on a tyrannical campaign against Elon as of late. People, we should know why... Outrage sells and generates clicks way better than unbiased and factual news.

Business Insider is interested primarily in clicks, but not the worst of the bunch. I don't generally see outright lies or anything. This article included. It stated the facts that they had access to. But in any event, it isn't fair to brand all media with such a cynical brush.

Such a broad brush is reminiscent of talking about "the blacks," etc. You just can't say much that is meaningful about such a large group.

Musk has been a media darling for the last ten years. Only recently when he has run into production difficulties, high executive turnover, etc have there been any negative press at all, and Musk didn't like it one bit. He seems to have initiated whatever "tyrannical campaign" you are alluding to, not the reverse.

He's a celebrity, thanks to the media, and yet somehow he hates them? Seems like mainly a tactic for dealing with the negative but factual stories.

This story was lacking in information, but largely because of secrecy on the part of Tesla. Looks like it was reported on fairly.

Hey let's not forget that business insider is part owned by Bezos who competes with Musk in the rocket business so articles like this should be taken with a grain of salt.

I saw my first parked model 3 about a week ago and got out to do a walk around. It's a much more impressive car in real life that it is in the photos. In particular the wide track and the design evoke very much a Porsche though, of course, it would have better performance and handling.

Full disclosure I don't own any Tesla (or SpaceX :) But I do have a soft spot for very nicely engineered objects of all kinds. I wouldn't be betting against the Tesla 3 because there's every reason to believe that, at a manufactured cost of $28k, this will be the best automotive value for quite some time.

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