Facebook lifts cryptocurrency ban amid rumours of Coinbase takeover
independent.co.uk
independent.co.uk
Coinbase is big but they have nowhere near the money, legal reach, engineer head count, or infrastructure of a Microsoft, Facebook, google or Amazon.
if the rumors of Coinbase making loads of money are true then they make a great and vulnerable target. I mean Coinbase is the US leader in crypto but they don't really have any moat around them to prevent one of the big 5 from coming in and competing with them by slashing trading cost to almost zero.
Where would Coinbase be if trading commissions were gone.
That's got to be a "Netscape loosing all its Navigator revenue due to a free Internet explorer" type scary for Coinbase.
Even if Coinbase is making money like crazy, you'd think they still have to seriously consider selling.
If I were a Coinbase investor, such as Andreessen Horowitz, I'd take a long hard look at a potential acquisition. It could increase the value of their cryptocurrency holdings and speed up market adoption.
Coinbase’s volumes have consistently fallen every month since December. January was less than December, February less than January, March less than February, et cetera. That, and their valuation, puts them at risk of having to (a) lay off lots of people or (b) do a down round.
[1] https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/can-th...
The main reason they remain one of the largest players in the marketspace is because they are one of the only "fiat bridges" -- a place where you can actually buy and sell crypto for government-backed dollars.
There's a reason why there are a dozen crypto exchanges but not many more (any more?) fiat bridges -- it requires setting up banking relationships, complying with KYC regulations, etc.
Fully agree and as I said, when mentioning legal reach, I think this is one area where the big 5 can compete better than even coinbase.
They will all
- obviously follow the US KYC laws
- already have huge legal teams
- experience working with government regulators
Or at least have the bar for outbound cryptocurrency transactions be very inconveniently high. Like, "bring your passport into a local branch and wait a week".
You could have "WE DON'T DO CRYPTO WITHDRAWALS, ONLY DEPOSITS" in giant 30pt bright red letters on the account signup flow in three different places, and people would still think they could, and then threaten suits and class actions when they find out they can't.
Why would they still think they could, despite all warnings to the contrary? Because withdrawals are a fundamental action in banking, and they think cryptocurrency is another form of money. (Don't get me started on the alien concept of an irreversible transaction...)
When you target the cryptocurrency-newbie customer as your market, results like this are unfortunately predictable.
With that in mind why does an acquisition make sense for Facebook?
It seems like a similar price war was unleashed among brokerage houses (driven mainly hy Schwab, but also Robinhood), but brokerages are not buying one another. Instead the competition has shifted into fee-based products (like ETFs and mutual funds) as well as portfolio management.
Although, I'd have to imagine that given government concern on both Facebook and cryptocurrency, extensive regulation would be a certainty.
If (a big If) the crypto market gets very huge, that strategy alone could easily make a few million dollars per day, or billions of dollars per year.
Back in the day FB had a full on "roll out the red carpet" event for notable affiliate marketers, led by "Shoemoney" to figure out how they could better engage that market to bring the diet pill, cell phone ringtone subscription scams, and "advertorial" formats to the FB ad marketplace.
And it worked brilliantly for years - affiliates figured out how to napalm international countries with that scammy bullshit and in countries like Brazil the top ad categories for years were uintentional diet pills scam subscriptions fulfilled by makeshift international fullfillment centers.
FB let those gorillas into the house, looked the other way as much as they could, and slapped meaningless "bans" on accounts that were too hot to handle.
Then when they were all grown up and had "legit" ads to swap in they buried those relationships.
I respect FB as the money printing machine that it is, but their foundation was built on "deceptive promotional practices" and it's undeniably in their DNA.
Maybe they'd fully support crypto as a method of payment transfer to replace their Messenger Payments product. It's not clear if crypto would make their payments platform so much better that they'd get strong penetration, but in countries with underdeveloped payments platforms, I can imagine they'd get some good growth. It'd be very much in line with their vision of connecting everyone - enable payments between anyone in the world.
I mean, when was the last time the Economist or Independent broke a Silicon Valley merger story? Pretty much never, AFAIK. The substance of the story is Marcus has coinbase connections, and that's about it.
I suppose there is the eternal Winkelvoss/Zuck rivalry, but if that's really at play here, well, lol.
So yeah, they're terrible at that too - or they don't care, your choice.
Roll your own crypto is playing the game.
Running an exchange is being the house.
The house always wins.
Because in the times of gold-rush, you don't look for a gold. You setup your online store to sell axes :)
Though, it's not like the current crytocurrency exchanges are doing well on this front (the other day there was a post about how Coinbase support is terrible), but they're small and have niche brands.
I don't see why a company like Facebook would want to expose themselves to the costs of employing hundreds of customer service reps and/or the negative PR of people loosing lots of money or access to their accounts with no recourse.
Yeah, I'm aware of that. To fix it, Facebook would have to hire a bunch of people well-trained people to take customer calls, but that will be expensive and violate their user-as-product traditions. The "Facebook Coinbase support" group might also get tons of regular Facebook support calls, because the number may be the only way to reach a real human at Facebook when there's a problem. IIRC, the Menlo Park Police get a fair number of FB support calls (e.g. "my account was stolen"), because there's no way to reach a human at Facebook.
The alternative is the leave things as terrible as they are, but that will just be another avenue for anti-Facebook scandal stories.
"We are long-term, patient investors. We’ve been investing in crypto assets for 5+ years. We’ve never sold any of those investments, and don’t plan to any time soon. We structured the a16z crypto fund to be able to hold investments for 10+ years."
Makes this all sound like speculation
As investors, everything is for sale. They aren't going to stick to the 10 year plan half way through if billions are put on the table.
(Just to be clear, this isn't specifically about or against crypto, this is about them promoting any asset to unqualified investors.)
Keep in mind, once the dust settles, cryptocurrency is probably going to settle into two buckets: utility and security. Facebook definitively does not want to be involved in the latter.
The same thing that's stopping them from building a rocket ship or a Facebook-branded pocket knife. Why would they do it?
Either this theoretical coin gives Facebook some advantage -- i.e. the ability to mint new coins at a whim, or an ICO that gives them a bunch of capital -- in which case that will make it unappealing to large swathes of users compared to fiat or existing cryptocurrencies, or exposes them to possible regulatory risk in exchange for capital, which they can easily raise through normal capital markets. Or it gives them no advantage, so ... why do it?
Purchasing a company like Coinbase doesn't seem to make sense to me in terms of aligned business goals, but my experience with M&A people is that it doesn't really matter -- they get rewarded based on perceived dollar value and execution, rather than whether their actions benefit the company. In the end nothing would surprise me here, but a priori acquiring a growing company at a perceived discount to its discounted future value is a good use of cash, even if only seen as an investment.
1) FB only turned back on ads so that they could get better data on how people market crypto projects (for their own blockchain team) 2) Added revenue 3) The article is very, very speculative; one could argue it's about as speculative as one of these vaporware token sales claiming they have a partnership with some major brand, and 20%+ of the copy is dedicated to building the hypothetical value of such a partnership.
Maybe someone made up the rumor as some last-ditch effort to make the price not go down
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-21/why-charlie-lee-so...
Charlie Lee is a Managing Director of the Litecoin Foundation.
(I do not smoke, but I do drink.)
Come to think of it that describes a lot of the woes of big media and why the next big genre comes from small scenes in addition to inherit creativity or lack of it. Introducing say punk or gangster rap to music producer big names too early on would see you thrown out quickly and not just on their prejudices but rational "would get them pilloried even if it was the next big thing eventually".
Youtube has had several adpocalypses over it and tension between content producers and what advertisers want to be seen on and of course what viewers want. "If I wanted stale advertiser friendly content I would turn om tv." reactions.
But ban ICOs, half of which are scam coins, and everyone loses their minds, there's moral outrage, etc.
Coinbase won't sell. They've built an all time level team and are absolutely raking in $$$.
This is dumb.
FB has a history of expensive acquisitions.
This brings us to an interesting thought. Cryptocurrency transaction values have been steady growing, starting from pizzas to alpaca socks and now it's even possible to settle multi million dollar transactions. In the the future we'll probably see larger, billion dollar plus aquisitions settled in cryptocurrency, why not? For that to happen though, their marketcaps will need to rise significantly from what they are now, at least to multi trillion dollar levels.