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The author rightly objects to hiring interns based on their race or professed sexual orientation:

"This time around, however, the LLVM foundation decided to pay for an internship themselves, and agreed a partnership with an organization called Outreachy. This collaboration saw LLVM adopt interesting new eligibility criteria. Outreachy’s rules state that an applicant must “meet one of the following criteria”:

You live any where in the world and you identify as a woman (cis or trans), trans man, or genderqueer person (including genderfluid or genderfree). You live in the United States or you are a U.S. national or permanent resident living aboard, AND you are a person of any gender who is Black/African American, Hispanic/Latin@ [sic], Native American/American Indian, Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian, or Pacific Islander"

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How the hell are you supposed to prove that you "identify as woman" if asked? If they follow the ideology at work here, everyone can identify as any gender, so basically everyone can apply by pretending to be a woman. Then they can make a fuss about being discriminated if Outreachy doesn’t acknowledge they are indeed indentifying as a woman. This whole minory/discrimination is a double edged sword.

But how common is it actually to pretend to be a gender you are not for something like this? Displaying yourself as trans brings huge social opprobrium in most places. I can’t imagine anyone I know pretending to be a trans woman to get a job. Do you have any evidence this is a common problem?

Someone willing to take on the stigma and dangers for an opportunity instead of go for one of the already abundant opportunities available for them may not be entirely cis anyway.

There's actually not that many opportunities for internships on C/C++ compilers.

I mean, maybe the GCC people will take you, but... yeah.

"There's actually not that many opportunities for internships on C/C++ compilers."

It seems like there are a lot of llvm-related projects outside of llvm itself, which might mean there are C/C++ compiler-adjacent internships out there.

Lying for the sake of getting $$$ is OK in many parts of the world. Especially if you stick it up a dumb fat westerners'.

Source: born & raised in (ex-)USSR

I suppose I’m fortunate that displaying oneself as trans in my country and state (US south) does not bring huge social opprobrium.

Interestingly, you’d be surprised who is trans and who is cis as it’s not like people have a sign over their head “I’m trans opprobriate me.”

So, in my city at least, it would be as simple as checking a box identifying as trans and no social stigma would even be possible. Unless the potential employer “outed” the applicant somehow. But that seems not only unethical but illegal (again, at least in my state).

Since I live in a prett backwoods area, I assume there are many other areas that are much better.

The south is weird like this. Some places it's great, some places you'd never know it was further in the future than 1959.

To be fair, in many rural places you don't want to fall out of the norm on any spectrum and there's no opportunity for practically anything.

That's why you move out.

You don't have to display as a gender in order to identify as it though. Supposedly gender is about self-identification now, not outward characteristics, so if LLVM are up on the progressive playbook they know they can't reject you for not "passing" as female if you claim to identify as female.

> But how common is it actually to pretend to be a gender you are not for something like this?

Who says it's a problem? It's not up to anyone else to judge my motivation for changing my gender. If I want to change my gender for 10% discount on a pair of sneakers, that should be my right.

Otherwise, where do you draw the line and how do you verify it?

Not very common. But if people incentivize it it's obviously going to become more common.

Vaguely relevant recent events:

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/22/mexico-electio...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/23/two-heterosexu...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/22/labour-allows-ma...

Just put your preferred pronoun on your twitter page, and as long as it's not male and the gender you were assigned at birth, you should be good to go.

As soon as that internship is over, you can just change back. That's what genderfluidity is about, right?

By the way the @ in "Latin@" is a gender neutral form in Spanish that some people use.

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