And what I said stands. I rarely comment here anymore. I have as much right to be here as you do.
Because many of these people are essentially refugees fleeing violence and extreme poverty in their home countries. Instead of helping these people we're tearing them from their families.
Then you framed your reply in terms of Mexico only, which ignored places like El Salvador, although maybe that’s just more “Mexico” in your mind? Point being, you’ve gotten many good replies, you just don’t like them, which is hardly the same as them being indefensible.
You have every right to be here, but less of a right to throw a tantrum about leaving while being here. That’s just rude. It’s only right to have some respect for the platform and people who use and maintain it while you use it.
I think it’s terrible that families are being separated. But I don’t know of another solution when their parents are choosing to bring their children with them to commit a crime.
Many of the illegal immigrants come to the border to flee violence or crippling poverty. They have to bring their kids. If they had the time or the income or the support system to migrate legally, they would.
With regards to your original point, I fail to see why Americans are not within their rights to protest laws that they feel are unjust. The employees understood that they may be fired for their views, but they did it because they could not in good conscience perform the work. You ignored the immediate reply about Jim Crow laws, but it's a good comparison. Would you also be angry with people that did not want to enforce Jim Crow laws?
So you feel that restrictions on immigration are unjust? The law doesn't say that children must be seperated from their parents at the border. That's simply a natural consequence of breaking the law - the parent goes to jail, and something has to be done with any children they chose to bring to the crime scene. US citizens are jailed everyday, for small things like driving without a license, and if their kids are in the car, those kids go to Child Protective Services. In many cases, the parents can't afford to bail out and the children wind up in foster homes for months or years while the parent serves their sentence and then fights to get custody back.
This is all very ugly, but it all starts with a conscious decision to break the law with children in tow.
Completely agreed. Furthermore, it's the fact that we've had a lax border that is to blame for people expecting to get through without any trouble (or at least without being separated from their kids).
I have no problem with tightening up border security, but these kids did no wrong -- and to forcibly separate them from their parents is to do evil to them. I'm sure we can find a creative (if unorthodox) solution to this that allows kids to stay with their parents whether or not the parents are prosecuted.
Most of the world has agreed to simply not charge refugees with entry crimes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Relating_to_the_Sta...
But they aren't great.
No, nobody has given you a position you agree with. You can't just say "EVERYTHING I DISAGREE WITH IS INDEFENSIBLE HURR DURR", that's not how things work.
Whether or not you agree is irrelevant, but you clearly can't see that, so arguing with you is just a waste of time.
Grow up.
Watch this:
Our economy depends on """illegal""" immigrants in order to survive things like harvest season.
Also, why the quotes around "illegal"? When you enter a country illegally, you are an illegal immigrant. Has PC culture gotten so out of hand that simply using the proper legal terminology is now offensive?
So yeah, everything you disagree with doesn't count. Thanks for wasting my time.
So, on your side, you have some fancy term for "inference" to justify your ugly accusation. On my side, I have solid evidence that not all downvotes are from the mods because I know what I did.
So there's that.
I chose to stop responding before it became a flame war, I have no idea why you would go through this thread, and downvote and flag both of us. What are you talking about?
As we tell everyone, please post civilly and substantively, or not at all. It isn't hard, but it requires wanting to use the site as intended.
Jesus fucking christ. Just fucking delete my account, you people are fucking despicable.
Then why the fuck do you let them reach the top of HN and do nothing about them?