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Now I am no expert on blockchain and business administration but... Since these CVL tokens could be tradeable, and they grant "a say concerning the projects hosted by Civil"...

Uhm...

Doesn't this all look like, basically, company shares? Doesn't this mean that the problem has just been shifted but potentially not solved ?

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If the article can be taken at face value, then yeah, they're exactly company shares, and they will cause exactly the same issue that the Denver Post suffered.

The "good news", such as it is, is that that part of the article is bullshit. They won't grant you the holders a say in the paper's editorial processes. That control will instead reside with the person actually funding the paper, which will be...

...the billionaire Joseph Lubin. Meaning they've already got the same issue that the Denver Post suffered.

Stockholders, especially retail investors, don't typically have privileged access or ability to give input to a newsroom.

And they shouldn't. News should not be determined by its shareholders. The idea that such privileges should be able to be purchased is so incomprehensibly stupid, I'm at a loss for words.

You don't think it already isn't purchased and hasn't been for a very long time? There are only a handful of media companies, at least in the USA.

It's obvious when the Washington Post writes articles about Amazon that there's a conflict of interest. They definitely write them, but I don't remember anyone sharing any stories from them about e.g. the HQ2 process. People know to look elsewhere. And conversely, the moment the Post publishes a news (not opinion) article about how every city should want to be HQ2, or worse, mentions it off-hand in an article about something else, everyone knows not to trust that and possibly to lose trust in the news source in general. So they don't.

It's not obvious when ownership is a thousand pseudonymous private keys when there's a conflict of interest. If a random article about a random company looks a little more negative than it should be, who knows if the current pseudonymous owners are shorting that company?

Publicly-disclosed ownership of the media by the rich has a ton of disadvantages, yes. But I don't the blockchain solving any of those disadvantages, and I see it introducing a new one that is specifically avoided by publicly-disclosed ownership by the rich.

How many people are actually informed that the Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos? How many people know that Jeff Bezos has contracts with the CIA[1] & sits on a pentagon board[2]? I doubt many. It's one of the few "left" wing newspapers I refuse to read for the reasons above.

I'm not arguing for this blockchain solution, I think it makes things worse exactly as you said.

[1]https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/07/the-d...

[2] http://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos-joins-p...

Given that the President of the United States went on a yelling spree recently about Bezos' ownership, I'd say most people who can distinguish the Washington Post from the Washington Times (owned by Sun Myung Moon's religion and absurdly right-wing) also know who owns the Post.

(Which isn't to say everyone knows that either—a lot of people seem to take the Times equally seriously—but solving the problem of bad-faith media existing is another one entirely, and quite probably the answer is it shouldn't be solved at all.)

Every time the Washington Post mentions Bezos, or a company he owns, even in the abstract (for instance, in this spaceflight article, which mentions blue origin: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/06/15/f... ), they say that Jeff Bezos owns the washington post, in those exact words.

The fact that something is already bad isn't a great argument for making it worse, though!

I haven't looked at the details of this in particular but on the surface it Sounds more like a so called "governance" token not an ownership token. To avoid running afoul of securities laws that is the way many new coins have been structuring themselves.

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