AT&T Cleared by Judge to Buy Time Warner
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Assistant Attorney General Makan Delrahim said in a statement the DOJ was "disappointed
with the Court's decision today. We continue to believe that the pay-TV market will be
less competitive and less innovative as a result of the proposed merger between AT&T and
Time Warner. We will closely review the Court's opinion and consider next steps in light
of our commitment to preserving competition for the benefit of American consumers."
[1]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-time-warner-m-a-at-t/u-s-...[2]: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-rules-on-att-time-warner-...
I think the DOJ will just take it as a loss.
What would they have to lose?
Their professional reputations.
The burden to prove impact on competition is on the plaintiff. The article does not elaborate on the judge's argument about how they failed. I am curious about the other side's argument also.
Two statements to ponder: >>"The bulk of the third-party competitor testimony proffered by the government was speculative, based on unproven assumptions, or unsupported -- or even contradicted -- by the government’s own evidence," Leon wrote.
>> "I couldn’t help but notice that the more and more questions were raised during trial about the reliability of Professor Shapiro’s theory and model, the more the government appeared to be minimizing the importance of his analysis," the judge wrote.
I can only infer from this the judge felt DOJ did not have a consistent and non-speculative case (see above). I am not sure what they can bring up during appeals as new evidence. They can appeal the speculation argumentation I guess.
In general, I am not sure what else one can bring to the table regarding mergers. Yes, whatever you bring to the table is going to be some form of speculation. That in itself should not be enough for dismissal, in my opinion of course. The law says differently (substantial). The defendant can always claim they are not going to raise prices. If 5 years from now, the consumer is <place word of choice here with negative connotation>, nobody is going to recall this merge as the root.
People just find it too hard to understand the impact of financial actions (one of the reasons you do not see SEC filing more often).
I am awaiting for the written ruling, but having checked previous cases, and inaction from DOJ, I don't expect much.
P.S. I am not sure this is really a vertical merger. It doesn't seem this clear cut to me. Thoughts on this?
That leaves litigating after the merger goes through, or just giving up. Often the FTC or DOJ will chose not to keep litigating mergers if they lose in district court because even if they win later, they don't think they will be able to get a very effective remedy--the deal will have gone through and it won't be possible to put everything back to the way it was. (If you are an antitrust lawyer, you for some reason have to talk about this using the phrase "you can't unscramble the eggs.") But it does happen sometimes--Whole Foods/Wild Oats was a good example where, if I remember correctly, Whole Foods had to sell of some of the stores they purchased from Wild Oats years later after winning their merger case in district court but losing the appeal.
And don't forget this is the entertainment time warner, not the internet service. So I'm curious what intentional timing you found, and how it relates to net neutrality.
That's why analysts are talking about this as a vertical merger, AT&T doesn't have the massive presence in content production that they have in various communication businesses.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/business/dealbook/att-tim...
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/12/att-time-warner-ruling.html
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/att/2018/06/12/att-wins-...
http://about.att.com/story/att_to_acquire_time_warner.html
If anyone knows a significantly better URL for this submission, let us know and we can change it again.
More details, especially where it matters. and a more analytic language.
And of course the idea of protecting the public interest isn't a thing anymore in DC.
It is. And had it been successfully blocked, the message would be clearly understood by media outlet owners far beyond CNN's owner.
It is in fact lose-lose.
Same goes for whatever ends up happening to Amazon/WaPo.
This is the only anti-trust you can expect to see now.
Pretty sure Bezos bought it, not Amazon.
I don't think the folks who ended net neutrality then go on twitter tirades against Amazon for the public good. Especially since each tweet drives down the value of tech companies.
I certainly can't defend the AT&T-Warner merger nor Amazon's near monopoly. But the enforcement is totally selective and for an insidious reason.
http://fortune.com/2018/04/04/donald-trump-amazon-jeff-bezos...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/07/trump-bezos-...
Not saying that monopolies are good, it's just not black and white...
http://blog.tmcnet.com/next-generation-communications/2011/0...
A lot of modern computing traces back to them and Xerox.
I mean, I guess you could look at DARPA or other government agencies as some sort of equivalent, but you're not exactly escaping controversy by getting your funding from the DoD...
Such an anti-consumer dystopia :( It is truly sad to see these markets devolve into such terribleness when there is so much possibility to be had with such incredible technology.
I'm not sure I understand the conflicts. Isn't Netflix essentially doing the same thing? Consolidating production and distribution?
EDIT: Never mind, I was unaware of the split between the cable and internet businesses. (I still agree with the sibling comments that this isn't hugely important given that AT&T is still an ISP)
Netflix can't just decide that they don't want to compete with Hulu and therefore throttle or block Hulu from their customers.
We know that controlling the means of production and the means of distribution is highly anti-competitive. All you have to do is look at rockefeller and standard oil in the 1800s. Rockefeller bought or threatened his way into controlling the railroads which allowed him to put most of his competitors out of business or forced them to sell to Standard Oil. Controlling the means of delivery allowed rockefeller to monopolize the oil industry in the US.
With the repeal of net neutrality, we are getting to the point where verizon, comcast, at&t, etc can be their own little "internet". And this really hampers future entrepreneurs. If you wanted to start a netflix, youtube or twitch today, but you can't rely on verizon, comcast, at&t, etc to give you fair access to their network, then why bother and who will invest in your company?
But this is the overall direction of the internet and social media the past few years. Less freedom, less openness and a move towards more of a corporate tv/news format.
So when are we nerds getting together to make a new internet?
Amazing on so many different levels.
(Shapiro is the economist whose model the DOJ based their case off of).
How to define good/bad consequences becomes the problem then, but thats the nature of it.
I'm sure if this was a thread discussing Judge Leon's 2013 opinion that NSA metadata collection violated the 4th amendment, HN would be singing his praises. But in this case he's approved a merger we don't like so he must be a total idiot or (as is being suggested further down in the thread) was bribed and has family members that will be getting board AT&T seats pretty soon. Such is HN's fickle heart.
Unsurprisingly, the case involved more nuance than could be contained in a Bloomberg article, so if you really want to understand the arguments involved, you'll have to slog through the 200 page opinion: http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/sites/dcd/files/17-2511opinion.p...
I'm generally depressed by the state of broadband competition in the US, but that doesn't automatically mean that Shapiro's "increased leverage harm" theory that vertical content-programmer-distributor integration will raise prices is correct. And even if it is intuitively correct or turns out to be right, it doesn't mean that we currently have sufficient supporting data for it to be a convincing argument to the courts.
At the very least, Shapiro's argument is complicated and novel (it has never been used as a part of an anti-trust case before). Tellingly, the Bloomberg article doesn't not even attempt to explain or summarize the economic theory. It's not like Leon is pigheadedly refusing to accept some widely accepted, basic economic principle.
If we are going to criticize the ruling, let's do so by discussing the substance of the judge's opinion, not courtroom banter.
Honestly I don't think this is all that bad of a move. I'd rather AT&T absorb Time Warner than Comcast.
Not producing content doesn't magically make an ISP a neutral provider and I don't see how vertical integration (owning the pipe and some of what's going through it) gives ISPs more leverage than they already have.
For example, take an ISP that is just the pipe with no content production arm. That ISP could charge premiums to content providers to be put in a "fast lane" and then slow down the content of everyone else. This would be to the advantage of big players at the expense of small competitors, just like you say, and doesn't involve vertical integration in any way. AT&T doesn't need Time Warner to do this.
What's catastrophic is that we don't have net neutrality. There are plenty of good arguments against this merger, but preventing vertical integration doesn't get us any closer to net neutrality.
If there is no regulation, AT&T has the exact same incentive to abuse their market position to make more money whether or not they own Time Warner. Whether they own Time Warner or not, they can make more money by being a non-neutral provider. Will they suddenly have a greater interest in money after they acquire Time Warner?
I suppose it could be good for the economy and general welfare of the nation that the price of good TV will go up, if it means people will be watching less of it.
And it ignores that TWC was acquired by another ISP, meaning that sale, whenever it happened, also curtailed broadband competition.
On top of all that, with the end of NN, AT&T can preferentially shove TWX content in your face, and force you to pay extra to consume someone else's.
That is absolutely relevant, and it's disingenuous, at best, to suggest otherwise.
AT&T can, under the present legal regime, perfectly legitimately say, "Here's all this 'free' content for you. You'll have to subscribe to the 'Not Our Content' package to access those other services..."
But, sure. Let's run with your example: imagine you had an ISP who let you read Fox News for free, but charged you to visit CNN.
Will they though? I don’t recall such a thing happening prior to NN. It always seems that people’s fantasies about what can happen without NN are worse than what will (or did).
I do.
But for some reason, they weren’t worried about other video chatting apps - for instance you could use Yahoo Messenger at the time. What competing app did AT&T have?
[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-tech/post/atandt-l...
AT&T can now say all of time warner's content is free for mobile devices. Major blow to their competitors.
I agree with you about distribution but it's hard to argue that there aren't lots of competing distribution channels for content.
The deal is most closely comparable to Comcast's acquisition of NBCUniversal in 2011.
Therefore, this sounds more like vertical integration of an infrastructure-and-ISP company buying a media company in much the same vein as Comcast acquiring full ownership of NBCUniversal in 2013, or Verizon acquiring AOL -- which in 2001 bought Time Warner, then AOL got spun out in 2009 -- and Yahoo.
Interestingly, vertical integration also increases competition, as is the case in urban areas of Japan. If you can leverage your low-margin transit product to sell your high-margin real estate product, you have vastly more incentive to compete with other firms on the transit product.
Indeed, the vastly lower deployment costs enabled by 5G suggest an alternative vision of the future. We may end up with a system where you subscribe to "Google 5G" or "Facebook 5G" or even "Netflix 5G" service. It will be abhorrent to those who visualize a platonic model of infrastructure separated from content, but may in practice work a lot better than heavy government involvement in the infrastructure layer.
Yeah, I’m sure this won’t lead to _small_ price increases for consumers.
His rationale on this particular is over 30 pages long. It starts at page 57-ish.
while (defendant.getSumOfContrib(partyInCharge)<= Gov.Judicial.Common.RULE_FAVOR_MINIMUM) {
delay();
}[0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/judicial%20legisl...
Maybe that works for software engineering, where it's a good idea to pause a release in case someone uses scripts to send a shitload of bad requests to our API and crashes a server because of our bug or whatever, but I understand that that doesn't work 1:1 with the real world, where it doesn't make sense to not have the aviation industry until we perfect self-flying planes.
By that argument, you will:
* beat your wife
* murder an enemy
* shoot up a school full of children
* commit arson
* jump bail
* evade arrest
* die in a hail of bullets
So, assuming all those eventualities, why shouldn't we just put you to death now?
To spare you the rhetorical exercise, the answer is because we don't punish you for the things you might do, but only punish you for a) the things that you have done, b) that we can prove, c) beyond a reasonable doubt, d) in a court of law, e) before a jury of your peers.
That said, whether or not an activist judge allows a presumptively lawful merger to occur is hardly a hill worth dying on. We have remedies for activist judges through an appeal process. Where an appeals process is not available after the merger, we have remedy for anti-competitive companies through regulatory influence, regulatory agency, rule of law, and a court system to back that up.
By that argument, someone will:
* beat his wife - true
* murder an enemy - true
* shoot up a school full of children - true
* commit arson - true
* jump bail - true
* evade arrest - true
* die in a hail of bullets - true
You see, all these things do happen. The parent is not arguing that because something is possible any one individual will do it. You're arguing a very different thing.
This is a weird opinion to hold when you take the fact that two judges can come to two completely separate conclusions on a single issue, while drawing from the same laws.
Which is why two judges can come to two completely separate conclusions on a single issue, while drawing from the same laws, based on their own personal methods of interpretation and biases.
A lower district judge can't overrule a higher judge's opinions.
1. AT&T announced they were launching an entertainment only live streaming service for $15 (or free to AT&T subscribers) which will compete with Philo.
2. They will continue to give away free or cheap HBO to AT&T or DIRECTV NOW customers
3. Comcast will more aggressively bid for FOX which means either Disney or Comcast will become the majority stakeholder for Hulu
https://medium.com/fomopop/what-at-t-time-warner-deal-means-...
Meanwhile I have 300k internet in Pasadena, CA. That's the fastest they offer. My roommate doesn't care and won't upgrade to Spectrum.
Why is it whenever I read the above it means the opposite?
Absolutely bizarre and ridiculous that North Dakota, a state that has far less developed infrastructure than either coast, has better internet than Los Angeles.
AT&T offers gigabit up and down for $70 a month. I usually get at least 900Mbps up and down.
What have they done, relative to other cities, to impede broadband deployment?
And it's an issue that was also raised in other non-California cities, including places like NC, CT, IL, DC, etc. See your article, links from it, and [0].
Come on man, you know this does not support your initial assertion.
[0] http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-Takes-Heat-for-Hu...
Places like Louisville and Kansas City got Fiber and San Francisco or LA didn't because: 1) they didn't impose build out requirements (the obligation to pass all households regardless of neighborhood demand); 2) they didn't require burying utilities; 3) they fast-tracked permitting processes; 4) they permitted hanging rather than burying the fiber; and 5) they made space available for Fiber huts.
The issue is hardly unique to "Big California cities" though, is it? Many localities across the country, including those I cited, have taken similar exception to fiber huts, "lawn refrigerators" and similar infrastructure components; so much so, that it's cliche by now. And, at it's core, it's the same old issue that has manifested in different ways since the phrase "property values" came into existence: everyone wants cell service, but no one wants a cell tower in their backyard.
You citing examples of cities that took a different approach is just the good-ol' association fallacy at its best. "Why, these places aren't California and look at what they did!"
But, it's funny that you mentioned Louisville and build-out requirements. Rather than imposing requirements, the city itself had a plan to expand fiber in an extremely cost-effective way (a third of the usual cost) and in a manner that would serve even lower income neighborhoods. Then, in stepped "tax-payer advocates" backed by the Koch brothers to block the plan, supposedly to protect taxpayers from such tyranny. [0]
The point is that broadband expansion has been an overwrought, complex fight that has impacted various municipalities across the country in different ways. Thus, it's disingenuous to suggest that broadband expansion challenges can be summed up as "Big California cities" and their "Big California impediments". In fact, it's so intellectually dishonest that it leaves a whiff of ideologizing lingering in the air.
[0] https://www.wired.com/story/koch-brothers-are-cities-new-obs...
What is that exactly?
"First released in October 2013, and updated several times since, the DOCSIS 3.1 suite of specifications support capacities of up to 10 Gbit/s downstream and 1 Gbit/s upstream"
The companies take that money and do things like buy multi-billion dollar companies with it instead.
The market in this sense is free from competition, free to block municipal broadband (illegal in 20 states), free from the consequences of providing terrible service, free from the risk of losing customers, and free from the social obligations of providing a civic service.
It's classic profiteering, capital extraction, dodging responsibility, and engineering the marketplace that leads to California's and the US's subpar system.
And it stays that way because hoards of people either apologize for it or just refuse to see what it is regardless of the evidence, because they have a larger commitment to their ideas of how things are supposed to be then there reality of how things actually are.
Until people break their mythical love affair with the idea that there is no sustained abuse or corruption in a manufactured free market, we will forever be shackled by reading to address its glaring and obvious issues.
This is easily disprovable. Broadband providers invest tens of billions a year in infrastructure. The fastest cable or wireless connection available to you is probably 10x faster than it was a decade ago. By comparison, your Intel laptop is maybe 3-4 times faster, maybe less. That cost gobs of money--building cell towers, pushing fiber deeper into the cable network, reducing users per HFC node by a factor of 10, etc. This is all incredibly labor intensive and expensive; it's not just a matter of downloading "DOCSIS 3.1" onto some head ends and calling it a day.
> Some have taken government subsidies and threw elaborate parties and went on luxury cruises while not building anything.
Note also that the "government subsidies" are anything but. The article you link to is talking about Universal Service Fund money, which is actually taken from ISPs and given to other ISPs. It doesn't come out of general tax dollars.
> leads to California's and the US's subpar system.
According to Akamai, U.S. broadband is among the fastest in the world, faster than all the large EU countries: https://www.akamai.com/fr/fr/multimedia/documents/state-of-t.... We're in the top 10, right after Denmark, and ahead of the U.K., France, Germany, Spain, Italy, etc. (the countries comprising 70% of the EU population).
> And it stays that way because hoards of people either apologize for it or just refuse to see what it is regardless of the evidence
Exactly the opposite is true. The actual evidence shows that the 1996 deregulation has been a monumental success in terms of amount of money invested and actual broadband speeds achieved. Proponents of heavy regulation have to deny the actual evidence (dollars spent, speeds achieved) because it suggests a shocking result: even deregulation that resulted in much less competition than anticipated is still better than the prior, heavily-regulated system. (I'm writing this as my awesome government-funded train system is stuck between Annapolis and D.C. for no apparent reason.)
What's holding us back from being even better (and which is why I have fiber but much of Silicon Valley does not) is state & local broadband regulation. Red tape that makes it hard to string up fiber (or forces you to bury it, at much higher cost), hard to create an "minimal viable ISP," etc. When I lived in Baltimore, for example, Verizon wanted to come in and compete with Comcast. The city literally wouldn't let them do it, and pleaded with Google to come build Fiber instead. Which Google wouldn't do, because, quite reasonably, Google only builds Fiber in places where cities are willing to waive requirements municipalities uniformly require for other providers: https://crosscut.com/2014/12/google-fiber-never-come-seattle....
Edit: calming myself.
I’m promised gigabit this summer, but we’ll see.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/07/lina-kh...
Like a $10M merger should have 1 strong argument in favor of the consumer, a $100M merger should have 2 strong arguments, and a $100B merger should have 5 strong arguments in favor of the consumer (and I'm being forgiving by using a logarithmic scale here).
(I haven't thought about the downsides, but I can't see anything obvious?)
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-...
In the case of Netflix, it's obvious they only host what they want on their platform. In the case of Youtube, they are increasingly banning videos.
This isn't my particular hobbyhorse issue, but it was the first result for "youtube ban political videos" and it has a huge constituency.
"Youtube to Ban Videos Promoting Gun Sales"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/business/youtube-gun-ban....
VICE Motherboard chronicles Youtube's history of escalating censorship.
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/59jgka/a-brief-hi...
On a decentralized platform (i.e. the real web) this would be impossible or nearly so.
You might disagree with or laugh at the people losing money or literally being censored on one of the biggest public squares in the world, but it's not democratic and media consolidation will never ever result in something compatible with the free and open exchange of ideas.
ATT - DirecTV, Time Warner (WB, Turner, HBO)
Verizon - Yahoo, AOL
Comcast - XFinity, NBCUniversal
Disney - 21st Century Fox?
Sony - Pictures, Television, Music/Publishing
Netflix
Amazon
Google/Youtube
Microsoft
National Amusements (CBS/Viacom(Paramount))
Fox Broadcasting/Fox Sports
Sinclair Broadcast Group/Tribune Company?
Vivendi - Canal+, Universal Music Group
Bertelsmann - Random House, Penguin, RTL, BMG
Lionsgate
Crown Castle - Hallmark
Discovery - Scripps Interactive, TLC, Animal Planet, US Networks
AMC Networks
Kobalt
Warner Music Group - Warner/Chappell
News Corp
Tronc
Time inc
Hearst Corporation
Gannett
Advanced Publications
Meredith Corp
HarperCollins
New York Times Company
Wenner Media
Getty
Gray
Nexstar
Tegna
iHeartMedia (ClearChannel)
AMC Theaters
Madison Square Garden
Regal
Cinemark
MindGeek
Televisa
Univision Communications
Sprint/T-Mobile?
Charter Communications (Bright House Networks, Spectrum Internet formerly Time Warner Cable)
Dish
Cox
Altice USA (Optimum Online, Suddenlink Communications)
CenturyLink
Frontier
http://about.att.com/story/court_rules.html
... and now excuse me while I try to figure out what the remaining horcruxes are so I can destroy them, and stop it (MA Bell) from coming back to power /s
https://www.wsj.com/articles/judge-is-set-to-decide-whether-...
It's a sad day for the modern age.
Does ending NN allow an ISP to completely block a website? I.e. to what extent does this also open up the door to overt political censorship?
1) Google blocking Microsoft and Amazon devices from accessing YouTube content.
2) FBI takeovers of DNS entries to web servers or TOR nodes.
And if political censorship is your biggest concern, should youtube be held accountable for blocking firearms content on their site?
Where are the examples of ISPs blocking web pages? Throttling != blocking. Bandwidth is not infinite.
Edit: If facts are inconvenient, that downvote button provides a nutritional burst of serotonin.
"Internet is just a dumb pipe" "Why dont all PCs ship with just a vanilla Windows install" OR "Why don't all smartphones just install vanilla Android" "The programmer is irrelevant" "The OS is irrelevant" "The browser used is irrelevant" "Cable providers are irrelevant"
etc.. etc
I started thinking of international examples, which got me thinking about Google and Apple. Who in a way feel like they're post-colossal-merger companies already. And I mean... It kind of sucks but it's not nearly as awful as I feared it might look like.
edit: not vs.* but 2 different entities with similar names.
The two companies merging are walking into a trap.
Their size makes them an attractive target for nationalization. ATT started off as a private company. It’s size however lead to it being effectively taken over by the government. The resulting monopoly came to employ 1 million people at its height. Adjusted for population growth, that’s be like the entirety of all the military branches today.
Before anyone mentions anything about automation though, let me say, there are plenty of jobs. If any of you have had the pleasure of a company giving you a secretary, you know that many jobs that have supposedly been automated, we are just doing without.
Also as cyber security becomes more of a concern, none of these jobs can be outsourced. Can you imagine whatever company builds our 5G network having their NOC in say Costa Rica (assuming world relations continue to deteriorate), or customer support outsourcing to the Philippines?
I know my views are wrong in some areas, but I hope they open a few new ways of viewing things.
I wish you were correct, but this doesn't actually seem to be the case. You have people outsourcing directly, or going with MSSP that are themselves outsourcing. I'd say a good 70% of the customers I deal with in the space are in this boat, most of which are in Financials and High Tech (engineering) spaces.
Sure, except this is America.
meanwhile, didn't trump make a campaign promise to prevent this exact merger? interesting timing.
(I know, I'm sorry)
At the same time, AT&T stock is down in after hours trading. Does this mean that investors believe this merger will be bad for AT&T, or at least for short-term profits?
Maybe tomorrow's reaction will be different as the entire market will weigh in on the decision.
If I recall correctly, there's an explanation of this position from Ajit Pai's FCC, which in particular references the NBC Universal-Comcast merger and explains why the FCC no longer wishes to allow such mergers.
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/att/2017/06/30/can-att-k...
It’s tough to be nimble with financial responsibility this large. It is not obvious to me that this is a good thing for the shareholders.
It’s for this reason that I’d rather see us focus on incentives for local ISP competition rather than regulatory burdens designed to keep elephants this large in check. Net neutrality has to be powerful enough to curb AT&T’s legal teams. Scrappy local ISPs aren’t going to have the same resources for responding to regulatory requests. It entrenches the big players.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/business/dealbook/att-tim...
What does that sound like to you bud?
This is only good for shareholders. The cons clearly outweigh the pros for consumers.
EDIT: Yes, this acquisition is of the content division of Time Warner, not the ISP, which was previously acquired — by another broadband provider, mooting my general point how, again?
Is that correct? (I'm not familiar with the US broadband market)
This is only good for people holding T and TWX, and probably not even most of them.
Like, say it ain't so, man.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal%E2%80%93agent_proble...
They don't want to be "dumb pipes", but they also won't give access to those dumb pipes, ensuring that no one else can compete with them upstream. Seems they shouldn't be able to have it both ways, but here we are. So, the next-best-thing would be to assign protection through edicts like Net Neutrality and rigorous anti-trust policing.
Yet, these are now being dismantled as well. Not a good place we're heading.
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch0...
Most people don't know and/or don't care.
It still floors me how many conversations they had with my younger siblings friends parents (I was present) were it more or less went. Friend parent makes baseless or incorrect assertion my history buff father retorted and they just said well I don’t care anyways.
Most people do not care. They happily give up all privacy to FB and Google. The funny thing is everyone was worried about the world turning into a version of 1984 and it looks like Brave New World and F451 was more on target.