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Not a huge surprise if you followed rust a few years back:

http://slash-r-slash-rust.github.io/archived/2u1dme.html

didn't know Graydon Hoare left rust o_o

ps: the archived date confused me, just in case, this is a 3yo thread https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/2u1dme/daniel_micay/ (enjoy the art)

yikes, what happened here?

/r/rust mod here, strcat asked us to remove the thread in order to keep it from being associated with his real name in Google search results etc. In order to keep the useful discussion in that thread from being lost entirely I created the archived version seen above, with his real name redacted.

Hang on a very very large second here.

I thought you couldn't edit post titles on reddit, and especially not 3 years ago.

Please please clarify.

Context:

  From       Title           ID      Date
  github.io  "[strcat]"      2u1dme  Thu Jan 29 02:39:34 2015 UTC
  reddit     "Daniel Micay"  2u1dme  Thu Jan 29 02:39:34 2015 UTC

It's exactly the same post.

EDIT: This is now at 0 points. If I have missed something or misunderstand I welcome clarification. Thanks very much!

Check the URL of the archived thread.

Okay, I've done that. The only thing I can think of to specifically look at is the ID fragment. I see the same ID in the archived thread on reddit.com and the archived thread stored on github.io (I'm not sure which source to disambiguate "archived thread" to).

My point was/is that the threads are identical, and given the different titles points to an supposedly-impossible ability to change thread titles. This is very interesting to me.

In case I'm [still] missing the point you're trying to get at. Further clarification and patience is appreciated.

he explained the point. The archived copy has been redacted, the whole reason the archive exists (and the original deleted) is because its impossible to redact the information on reddit while leaving the rest of the post intact.

Sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but what does Rust have to do with CopperheadOS?

They're pointing to the disagreement between Rust developers and strncat (the CTO of COS, and an influential contributor to Rust).

Ah ok, so I'm guessing that strcat is Daniel Micay then? That wasn't obvious to me (I initially thought that Mozilla might have been funding CopperheadOS or something).

Yep, Daniel Micay == strncat.

What are you trying to imply? This seems entirely unrelated.

It's another example of Daniel Micay (strcat) contributing technically to something, having a falling out with other folks involved with it, then quitting in a huff.

I think that's a really overly simplistic view of the Rust situation and an unnecessary comment on the current situation. Daniel did not 'quit in a huff' or even quit at all.

This belittles his contributions and the situation he's been put in.

I saw how badly he treated people in the rust community, so I have zero doubt that his problems dealing with people played a role in the current situation.

Didn't intend to belittle his contributions though; he contributed significantly to rust and (as I understand it) did ~everything technically on CopperheadOS.

This is an extremely disingenuous interpretation of events, and seems to be given for no other purpose than to shame the clear victim of an abusive business partner. This has nothing to do with how he worked with rust developers, and even Graydon made it clear in that thread that strcat was always justified in his interactions with them. It is extremely dishonest to spin this around and use it to suggest such a ridiculous level of dishonesty.

> This has nothing to do with how he worked with rust developers, and even Graydon made it clear in that thread that strcat was always justified in his interactions with them.

No, Graydon really said nothing of the sort. https://slash-r-slash-rust.github.io/archived/2u1dme.html#co...

"[strcat] is an outstanding technical voice, everyone knows that. He is also an uncompromising technical voice who quickly becomes defensive, critical, sarcastic, belittling, insulting and accusatory when his (often correct) views are not acted-upon by others quickly enough or to his satisfaction. He needs to work on his communication style. He's stepped way over the line of the CoC repeatedly, and if I were still in a leadership role, I probably would have had to ask him to leave by now. It pains me to say that."

What you just quoted literally shows Graydon saying that strcat's views were often correct. I wasn't commenting on strcat's tone/delivery because that's a separate issue, I was saying that it shows nothing about dishonesty, and only backs up the notion that he's honest (if a bit emotional).

Somebody having less than perfect communication skills is no reason to be wildly speculating and throwing them under the bus when they're the victims of something much worse.

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