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Redhat? Company that is currently infiltrating every Linux distro with systemd bloatware? No, thanks.

I never understood the Systemd argument in the Linux ecosystem. Sure, it may not be what everybody wants in the Linux ecosystem. But, that's the point of having so many independent distributions right?

Red hat is not secretly pushing anything on anybody. If something is better than Systemd, clearly other distributions will go that route and try to outcompete Redhat... No?

I see Redhat as the enterprise seller of Linux. They are catering to Enterprise needs and supporting where they go (even Systemd) what is wrong with that?

If you're mad that Debian followed RH's steps and adapted Systemd, then you should be mad at Debian not Redhat?

Disclaimer: I have no association with RedHat in any sense. Just trying to ask why Redhat is always blamed for Systemd.. I don't particularly enjoy systemd either.

> Just trying to ask why Redhat is always blamed for Systemd

Probably because Lennart Poettering is a Red Hat employee and wrote systemd while working for them?

Not a comment on whether systemd is good or not, but... the author being paid to write it as an employee of the company is a reasonable reason to believe they are responsible for it's creation.

But, my real contextual ask was Why RedHat is blamed for Systemd in Linux Ecosystem...

Sure, a RedHat employee built something that Redhat wanted for their major Linux distribution. Why does the community direct hate at RedHat for it being everywhere? If it is deemed as not good by the community, the distributions are free to develop alternatives...

IIRC, Upstart was briefly used by distros before systemd came on to the scene. It's stay was short though as distros began migrating to systemd.

> Redhat? Company that is currently infiltrating every Linux distro with systemd bloatware? No, thanks.

Perspective is everything.

For me it's:

> Redhat? The company that managed to standardize the init system across distributions, thereby making it trivial to create robust system services for Linux?

It is not the init system replacement. It is the cruft around it, like systemd-resolved. Please avoid motte and bailey arguments.

Today I Learned motte and bailey.

And why is the rest cruft? Are the extras technically inferior? Can they be compiled out if you wish?

It's not really fair to call it bloatware. Bloatware serves no purpose other than to sucker users into paying for something they either don't want or don't need. systemd serves a purpose, has benefits for the user, and doesn't ask for money or push ads.

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