Doctors hail world first as woman’s advanced breast cancer is eradicated
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[1] https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/press-releases/2018/immun...
that said I don't want to crash sci-hub so use with care
For patients (as well as their immediate caregivers) who are dealing with advanced/metastatic breast cancer, these articles tend to do more harm than good. The reason is because for an informed patient who is vulnerable, such pieces tend to strongly start influencing treatment decisions.
My sister completed her journey with advanced breast cancer in April. And she was on immunotherapy for 8 months. She was also evaluated for TIL based treatment at MSKCC.
An earlier extremely similar article had strongly influenced our decision making. Now we realise that information such as this influences families a lot. I really feel the tone and underlying theme of the article should not be to convey it as a revolution. There is a reason why certain thresholds of success are built into clinical trials. Articles such as these should be written by guest oncologist and not journalist, as they tend to overemphasize the optimism and underplay the risks.
There is a great review on progress in cell based immunotherapies here: https://www.cell.com/cell/abstract/S0092-8674(17)30064-8
I'm still trying to emotionally accept that the nightmare is over. It seems almost too easy, like it's just setting us up to let us down. It can come back, of course. But she's in remission now and totally done with treatment.
Whenever I think of oncologists, I always imagine how much it must suck to tell people they have cancer every day. I'd never really considered the other side of that. To get to tell someone you have completely cured them of a disease that would surely have killed them. It must be an incredible feeling, like beating Death at his own game.
[+] 20-30 years
The downvotes seem reflective of the reality that the vast, vast majority of present landmass will be perfectly dry with a 10m rise in sea levels.
Climate change risks are bad enough. Hyperbole doesn't make it any scarier, and is unnecessary.
I had Hodgkin's Lymphoma many years ago, in my final follow up they said the radiation damage means there's a higher than normal chance I'd get some entirely different cancer later in life, but as to Hodgkin's there's no difference from the rest of the population. If I get Hodgkin's again it isn't because the treatment stopped working, it just means the same or similar freak DNA change happened. Like if I broke the same leg again.
And yes, those edgy adults, claiming to be aware of death/mortality and accpeting, usually have created lightning rods in theire conciousness for these fears.
Like believe systems, that reroute this fear into believe of immortality, or in the atheist case a feeling of superiority for living your life to the max, while all those others do not. Those fully aware are in asylums
Best of luck to her.
I'd have given anything to help mine. I'm happy your mom was able to get that treatment.
Once we solve cancer, we will need to solve longevity, the greatest health problem in the world.
You can check out abstracts on the ASCO website as well as follow biotech news outlets like Endpoints News, Stat news to get highlights. Also twitter is a good source of info: follow people like brad loncar, the above mentioned news sites as a start
I bring this up because people felt the same way about cancer. For decades and decades, there were glimmers of false hope, claims that a cure for cancer was just a few years away, surely solved in the next decade, and time after time they were proven wrong. People felt betrayed perhaps because the complexity of cancer made the problem so very difficult to solve. And YET: Here we are. Real, tangible progress.
The hard problems take huge efforts over many years, but we are solving them. If we put the effort and funding and time into understanding autism, other neurodevelopmental disorders, depression, longetivity, and so on, we will prevail.
The manufacturing process is logistically and technically very difficult. You are engineering live cells, an extremely complex and delicate "process". Things that shouldn't affect product quality for simpler drugs like proteins end up totally changing the biologic function of the product
There's been effort to automate this but it's been difficult. Innovation here would be incredibly valuable
Almost everything we do these days is automated to some degree at some point. Is it mostly a question of large sums of capital to develop the tooling necessary?
Part of the challenge is just that live cells are complex living things. They interact with their environment in difficult to predict ways. You can only measure so many cell characteristics at a time, certainly not enough to get a full picture of everything that's going on, which makes in-process quality testing very difficult. A manufacturer we worked with said "process is product", which means we dont know how to measure product quality that well so we have to basically reinvent the process every time it changes. I think getting the right tooling to measure quality would help but that would require some really breakthrough innovation.
Another challenge is shelf life. You need to get these cells to patients quickly once they leave the lab, often requiring climate controlled air shipment if the patient is far from the lab. And you dont want to build too many labs, as transferring a process from one lab to another is very expensive and fickle.
The process of selecting cells to engineer is pretty complicated and labor intensive. Basically you have to get a patient to a clinic, draw blood (or biopsy), process the sample for shipment, ship it to a lab (often have just a few hours to get this done), then you do a number of steps to isolate the specific cell types you want. A lot of this is manual but isn't really novel, the techniques are pretty well established and straightforward, some probably could be automated but im not sure how much, and it would be expensive to automate. I think a few large manufacturers probably invest heavily in automation but most small companies or academic labs probably cant afford it
The process itself is extremely difficult with lots of ways that it can go wrong. But as with other areas of molecular biology, there's hope that the consistency of automation may improve that.
Current cancer treatments that are used in practice can easily make it in to tens of thousands per month of treatment. That provides a lot of wiggle room for doing expensive things.
Once there's a reason to produce thousands or millions of individualized cell therapies, it's likely that the process could be made economically feasible.
The article has a few good cautious warning, in particular:
> But experts caution that the treatment has only proved itself in one woman and that the clinical trials are needed to see how effective the therapy could be in other cancer patients.
Too good short explanations in comic forms are:
The T-Cell treatments or CAR-T cell treatments is one of the most promising lines of research in cancer treatment. Fred Hutch is doing a lot of research on right now. Seattle Cancer Care (which is associated with Fred Hutch) has an entire floor devoted to CAR-T trials. https://www.seattletimes.com/pacific-nw-magazine/the-hutch-i...
The interesting bit is that this is a successful trial on a solid tumors. CAR-T has shown that its most effective on non-solid tumors or blood based cancers. A few months ago there was a Stanford press release on them doing a combination of injecting solid tumor CAR-T and alcohol, which caused a singular tumor to be attacked and removed.
The 1980s saw the introduction of proteins as therapies using genetically engineered organisms to make drugs. Previously drugs were either extracted and purified from natural sources of chemically synthesized. Only small molecules could be synthesized, not proteins, so the ability to make therapeutic proteins -- much larger and more complex than traditional small molecule drugs -- enabled a new class of drugs and companies like Genentech and Amgen
Cell therapies potentially represent another massive leap in ability to treat disease. There are a few genetically engineered cell therapies approved today, kymriah and yescarta. They are engineered to attack cells that express a molecule called CD19. This molecules is found mostly on B cells in the blood. So naturally these drugs are used for B cell lymphomas
It has proven difficult to make these cell therapies work in other cancers, especially solid tumors. Solid tumors are more difficult for immune cells to penetrate (denser and surrounded by a complex mass of fibroblasts, blood vessels and immune cells called the tumor micro environment), they have more defenses against immune attack, and they have fewer good molecules to target -- while CD19 is pretty specific to B cells and thus a good target, most solid tumor targets are either expressed on healthy tissue (so targeting these targets would attack healthy cells as well) or are not consistently expressed across cancers
The approach in this article represents an effort to solve the latter problem. There has been a lot of investment in this space by VCs and to a lesser extent pharma. There are basically two approaches, each with a set of delivery options:
Neoantigen targeted therapies: these aim to find novel tumor mutations and target them with drugs. The advantage here is that you'd have mutations specific to a tumor. The disadvantage is that you'd have to tailor each therapynto each patient which would be insanely expensive. There are many efforts to find shared neoantigens that could be used to treat a variety of patients, from what I've heard this isn't going super well. Neon therapeutics, gritstone oncology, moderna and several others are active here
Another approach is targeting "wild type" antigens (i.e. Not mutants) that are specific to cancer and not other tissues. Advantage is that you'd need less customized therapies. Some common shared tumor antigens people are focused on are NY-Eso-1, mage-A4 (or a3 or a1, don't recall). Several companies are in the clinic here but still not clear if the approach works. Aduro, immune design, biontech, moderna, neon, gritstone, 3t biosciences and others are involved
Delivery options are most commonly autologous cell therapy but this is super expensive and it is very hard to get consistent product. The manufacturing process itself contributes a ton of variability. Even using a different brand of the same type of flask can lead to a final product with vastly different biological function. Basically you draw cells from a patient, ship them to a lab, process them and ship them back. Nobody really knows if this process can scale to anything beyond just a few super rare cancers into something like say diabetes. Also the approved drugs to date have had major side effects which would prevent their use in any but the most devastating disease
Another approach is off the shelf allogeneic cell therapy. Here you just make cells that work in any patient. Immunogenicity is a potential concern
Others are using bacteria, viruses or non viral vectors to deliver mRNA encoding for the antigens to dendritic cells, which are cells that tell T cells which antigens to attack. Biontech is a leader here. This is sort of a "bounce shot" approach. If it works it would be amazing but it is very technically challenging and I don't really know if the exact details of the mechanism are that well understood. There are many clinical studies ongoing so well know soon
Overall this is a really promising development because solid tumors are just really tough. There will be a lot more to see in this field the next few years
That seems like an impossible hypothetical, really. People will always have relatives and friends of all sexes so there's no way to stop people of one sex from benefiting from the health of the others.
I'm sure a European specialist could do a quick Google search to find the latest options in care, including any newly approved drugs globally.
The cost of developing a new drug is insane. http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2017/10/18/dru...
When everyone demands a discount, the guy paying full price ends up picking up the rest of the tab.
I find this sad. For one brief, glorious moment she was alive, going to fulfil her bucket list and live her life to the fullest.
The therapy, while groundbreaking, didn't make her immortal, she's still going to die as are we all. But going back to her 'normal everyday life' instead of fulfilling her dreams she may as well have just died anyway.