Exodus from GitHub, but just not to SourceForge
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I'm no lawyer, but wouldn't that mean now Microsoft has an unlimited license of all code uploaded to GitHub? That doesn't seem, ehh, good?
And naw shit. I said I wasn't a lawyer. But I can read. It doesn't take someone with a JD to read a term that looks pretty suspicious.
Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it - George Santayana
Microsoft lost all goodwill a long time ago, and they'll never get it back.
To name a some of their recent misbehavior: Windows 10 ads and telemetry, Skype, GPL license violation (ie still actively working against FOSS)
To me MS keeps proving they are still exactly the same company they've always been. They tend to be better at hiding it from public, I have to give them that.
Context?
It's the ol "Embrace Extend and Extinguish". I'll give it 5 years before I trust them. They'll likely show their usual colors soon enough.
I'd love to educate myself further, but need more details.
So Microsoft is in the "company saving" business now? This couldn't be farther from the truth. They bought Github not to save it, but to use it as a resource for whatever goals they deem appropriate. And I really doubt Microsoft's goals align with open source well.
Either goodwill, a cheap deal since they were about to fold, gain trust for people to use Azure Linux or Azure open source platform, etc. I have no idea, but goodwill is an option.
Xamarin was run on GitHub. We never used any other version control system. GitHub used Xamarin extensively as well. There were a lot of overlapping social graphs between the engineers of both as well.
Miguel and Nat both helped to make F/OSS and Linux what it is today—thank them if you like GNOME. Nat represents MSFT in this deal, and that’s great news for F/OSS enthusiasts everywhere.
Nat and Scott Guthrie aren’t responsible for the “sins of their fathers.” Time to move on from the Microsoft hating. That era has been over for a while.
Today my code on GitHub is in competition with the myriad projects that Microsoft publishes. And even if I stick with Windows coding, they too can and will incorporate it into their stack.
Tl;Dr. Doing stuff on GitHub is directly competing with Microsoft's own business.
But unless you are AWS or Google Cloud Platform, Microsoft isn't competing with you. They may have similar products/services out there at some level, but these days, if it's not driving a lot of Azure adoption/retention then it's not something Microsoft is really going to compete against. That even goes for Windows. Microsoft is putting increasing amounts of money into the Linux ecosystem these days as well.
I'll consider it when they allow me turn off telemetry in Windows 10.
It's a consequence of hooking up all world's information before people understand how to safely digest it. It will fix itself if we can find an equilibrium before we all destroy each other.
They recognize they lost the hearts and minds of developers. They are fixing that. Not fixed. Fixing. It’ll take the better part of a decade and some people will never change.
Five years ago no one would have expected Microsoft to ship an amazing editor on Linux and OSX. Its great to have such an amazing development team once again actively believing “developers, developers, developers” is the key to success. I can’t wait to see what they do with GitHub as they work to regain relevance and interest.
Support for a tertiary platform (in terms of addressable market share) like Linux desktops comes much later in this kind of product’s maturation.
Teams needs to first gain wider enterprise adoption on Windows and macOS first before they will look at allocating resources to additional platforms. Better off sticking with Slack on Linux until then.
Too late, already lost my trust.
This was unexcusable to let happen years ago and was one of the scummiest things I experienced in the software world.
I havent used sourceforge in years and have gone out of my way to avoid it. They cannot be trusted.
It's not even death by a thousand cuts, which y'all have done to yourself, but you also just failed to provide anything in the last 10 years that felt like it wasn't a cop out. Ignoring the abysmal failures and adware issues, which should be a non starter anyway.
We have tons of options that aren't SourceForge. Why is this even really a discussion? Gonna link to your SF from your My_?
EDIT:
Apparently SF is under new management and they are trying to change people's perception and are making good by a some accounts. I stand by what I said before I knew that, but I look forward to them contributing to the community in a way we can all respect.
Good on 'em for trying to do better. I still fondly remember days of the first places I looked in the morning were SF and Slashdot.
My apologies for being out of the loop.
I promise to give y'all a fair shake in the next few months and I wish you the best going forward.
> I don't think a single person is considering moving from GitHub to Sourceforge.
is true.
This is an old article, but I don't think a lot has changed since then: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/...
If anyone knows if they have stopped making money suing or making dodge deals with Linux/Android vendors, I'd love to know, if so, I'd start to believe that they, as a corporation, are becoming more open source friendly.
There is a big difference in buying patents for the company's own protection, and buying patents for making money trolling other companies. And unfortunately M$ is on the second group, making money as a patent troll.
gitlabs grafana instances are all but completely unresponsive as of this post. Timeouts and such from the web UI were rampant as of 0700am PST but they seem to be under control.
If i were a gambling man, I'd venture this to be the worst decision Microsoft has made since they hoovered up Minecraft for six billion dollars only to be left to watch PUBG and fortnight run miles past it, and multiple open source server implementations show up.
How is Minecraft in the same bucket as PUBG or Fortnite? Also, Microsoft bought Minecraft some 3 years before PUBG even launched. It has sold about 144 million copies and has 75 million monthly users. It's the second best-selling video game of all time behind Tetris. How is that a "worst decision"?