I wrote a negative Yelp review and it made my life a nightmare
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> They posted my entire medical record, including notes about my mental health, my bills, my insurance info, my driver’s license, birth date and home address,” she said.
wow. That violates HIPAA law. The counter-sue is going to be huge.
Also, I had a related issue where a doctor threatened to sue based on my yelp review. I cut the review back to verifiable facts instead of opinion and asked if that compromise was ok, he said it wasn't and started claiming it was defamation. I cut off contact and that was that. I wondered if it was possible to be dragged into court by something like this, apparently I may have dodged a bullet. Scary stuff.
In this case the subject is in NY state which has an Anti-SLAPP law and she should apply it and HIPAA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_publ...
I would suggest using a pseudonym and VPN for any review written on a potentially litigious business unless you have the funds to litigate. Problem is Yelp is much more likely to mark the review as spam.
We are hearing one side of the story here. HIPAA violations have teeth -- potentially 10 years imprisonment for intentional leaks for personal gain -- so a vindictive public action is highly unlikely, and certainly some lawyers would take the case on spec. Especially if personal information like driver's license info and home address were leaked.
What likely happened is this quip triggered the mess:
> “I suspect that this doctor gives unnecessary procedure [sic] to a lot of people and then charges the insurance sky high prices and no one knows the difference.
Levine is accusing Song of health care and medical insurance fraud. While there's some ambiguity regarding "unnecessary procedures", insurance fraud is a crime and arguably Levine is accusing Song of criminal behavior
>The most damning thing in there was that the Doctor tested for HHV-6 (something 100% of humans have) and then charged for it and claimed it was HHV-2 (genital herpes). Theres apparently a lab technician available to testify that the Doctor commonly tests for HHV-6. Guy seems sleazy.
>HHV-6 primary infections account for up to 20% of infant emergency room visits for fever in the United States
The test can be used to assess viral load, which may indicate other issues, I'm told. (I'm not a doctor, though.) If you have a very high viral load of HHV6, it may indicate something else is going on. However, that doesn't mean it was necessary in this patient's case. But the test exists for legitimate reasons.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_herpesvirus_6#Epidemiolo...
I was sued and I pro-se to defend myself. Although the plaintiffs know the lawsuit is frivolous but that doesn’t matter. He said if I don’t apologize and I win the case, he will just spend more money appeal the case and make my life miserable. I apologized and he dismissed the case.
It probably caused him some money, but it had caused me a lot of distress and time reading up the laws.
Basically an open and shut case too. Assuming they were smart enough to "correct" the mistake it may not be a Tier 4 ($50,000+) violation, but instead a Tier 3 violation ($10,000 - $50,000 per violation) of willful neglect. I'm not sure if each violation above would be considered a single large violation or multiple small violations ( 1 violation vs 7 violations is a major difference in penalty cost). There's also SLAPP.
If litigation has gone on long enough to cost her $20,000 in legal fees I can't help but feel there is a lot more to this story or my understanding of the legal system is completely out of touch...
The most damning thing in there was that the Doctor tested for HHV-6 (something 100% of humans have) and then charged for it and claimed it was HHV-2 (genital herpes). Theres apparently a lab technician available to testify that the Doctor commonly tests for HHV-6. Guy seems sleazy
If it's not posted under seal, then yes. Particularly if it's posted as part of the initial filing and not as a response.
I was really confused. Wasn't this a HIPAA violation? If yes, what do you even do about it? Feels like a cause for concern if your doctor is also trying to play cupid? What should I do/have done?
>Wasn't this a HIPAA violation?
100% yes that was a HIPAA violation and honestly anything shy of giving your information to people who actually need it (aka: any hospital/practitioner you visit who should be aware of your medical history) is a violation with very few exceptions (mostly legal ones). Gossiping about patients is probably one of the most common violations.
>If yes, what do you even do about it?
Depends how much you care and how long it has been since the event happened and you became aware of the violation. If it happened within the last 6 months you can report it online through the process xapata linked you. If it's been over 6 months it's too late to report. I'm not sure if "it happened but I didn't know it was a violation until recently" counts as a start date for the "aware of the occurrence" limitation. Would be a great question for an actual lawyer.
You also don't know what else could possibly have been said about you or your medical history - so I'd keep that in mind when deciding if this violation is a "big deal" to you personally or not.
And that assumes that the lawyer isn't handling the case on contingency.
Generally, the reason people overestimate the costs of trials is because standard contingency fees are 30%-40% of judgements.
Reminds me of that famous poem "First they came for the ..."
It's somewhat hard to square with "litigious culture" criticisms of some parts of the country. But the details matter. Filing & defending in small-claims court is pretty cheap without a lawyer (and even with one is "only" in the small thousands) and person-vs-person cases won't be too terrible compared to companies-vs-individuals...
Isn't it worse than that -- more like 'we might not win, but you're probably boned either way'? I may be wrong but I have the impression that it's relatively rare to be awarded full costs, and anyway you'll have to pay your lawyers up front.
This reveals a predicament for businesses that have to protect customer privacy. If a restaurant owner thinks a customer is lying, they can call the person out on all kinds of media and say they're a liar. Alamo Drafthouse made a set of videos to play before movies making fun of a customer complaint call, telling her to eff off.
If a doctor believe a patient is lying or doing a detriment to their business, they can't call them back out on social media. Their only remediation, if they think the statements are false, is a lawsuit to have the force of law take lies down.
I had a friend of mine who refused a request by a patient out of the country, while on-call one weekend. I'll leave out the details apart from it involved shipping a large quantity of a very expensive medication to another country - as the hospital did not have this medication available. He had already sent enough of this medication to cover for at least a week (at huge cost to the NHS, as the medication had to be couriered by plane) when a second request was received 2 days later. A huge internet hate-mob appeared on Facebook saying all sorts of things about this doctor by name, to which he had no ability to respond.
I'm for making healthcare more transparent, but I wonder if, as a doctor, we'd be pressurised into pleasing the patient more than treating the patients correctly, with the threat of negative yelp reviews, though that's obviously a risk with any sort of profession and review system.
Though I guess if a phone call had protected HIPAA information and you could tell who it was through their voice it might be a violation?
There are so many things wrong in how the doctor behaved it is mind-boggling and a big red flag. Fighting angry and stupid people in court is best avoided but one does not always have a choice.
It seems like there should be some special set of rules around medical reviews, in my opinion at least.
Even if the patient reveals PHI you should avoid confirming or acknowledging it as the "covered entity" under HIPAA. A confirmation of a diagnosis is different than a person discussing symptoms. I would argue that you probably should avoid even acknowledging that the person is a patient or has been seen in the office. The approach will reinforce to others how seriously you take privacy and you can taut your customer service policies, etc.
I wouldn't call this unfair since all providers are in the same situation.
(This isn't legal advice, obviously.)
Review wars are real in all retail businesses, its pretty sad.
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I cannot imagine a lawyer would condone the HIPAA violation, I wonder if there are exceptions when the patient has made that information public before you (patient said she had x, and you say "We did not diagnose x") or smth.
Definitely recommend checking out libel insurance. Shouldn't cost much to get and will help protect against companies trying to go after you.
And to be scrupulously neutral, 3 stars if that's an option.
Opinion is allowed, verifiable facts are allowed. False statements of facts are not.
That screams HIPAA violation, to me. The practice could (and should) be shut down over it.
That's exactly the sort of "true but out of context" thing a tabloid like this site would use.
People freak out the moment they hear privacy violation. They get angry and stop thinking. The comment above from AdmiralAsshat already says "the practice should be shut down". Some comments above say "it's an open and shut case" without even knowing the details of the proceedings.
Can you imagine if as a doctor, you kept your patient's info private, but a patients says you "posted her medical record" even though it was sealed for her court proceedings? Wow
At issue here is a disagreement over what services were performed, so it makes perfect sense that the court would require access to these documents.
The reporting is incredibly one-sided here considering that the case is still unresolved. No doubt it will be damaging to the doctor's reputation even if he is cleared of wrongdoing.
[0] if the provider has to issue such refunds all the time, there are other problems to address...
She accused him of committing felonious fraud; seeing the doctor respond by giving her her money back and saying "most people don't have a problem" would not cast that doctor in a good light at all, to me. I'm not really sure if there's any kind of response they could have left that would feel reassuring to me: recommending the client contact law enforcement like someone else suggested might help a little, but not that much. The presence of a review with accusations like that that the doctor shrugged off or dealt with casually would be infinitely more offputting to me than hearing the doctor had previously won a libel case against a former client.
The story is in a tabloid, and that's such an insanely egregious breach of HIPAA that I'm a little skeptical that it played out exactly like that.
> [The doctor's office] posted my entire medical record, including notes about my mental health, my bills, my insurance info, my driver’s license, birth date and home address.
Because a common tabloid tactic is posting technically true statements in a misleading manner.
For example, the woman's statement could apply to having introduced her medical records into the court transcripts, which would be entirely normal practice. The wording in the article leaves us thinking they uploaded her records and driver's license in a Yelp reply or something, but I think that's unlikely.
Courts have established that you can write negative reviews and that they fall well within rights to freedom of speech. She isn't being sued for giving the guy a one-star review and saying "This place sucks". There's one sentence she wrote that has cost her $20k:
"I suspect that this doctor gives unnecessary procedure to a lot of people and then charges the insurance sky high prices and no one knows the difference."
Also, she started the sentence with "I suspect", which is very different from a plain accusation.
It might happen to many others, but her accusation is baseless and she is responsible for it. Suing for libel is an appropriate right.
https://www.yellowpages.com/user/503859115/reviews
2014 review by one "Michelle L" of New York, NY. Starts with the exact same byline: "Very poor and crooked business practice.". Completely different practice. One with great reviews, for the most part.
I'm not saying it was or wasn't the doctor posting it. Just pointing out that if it was her who posted the dental review, she seems to have a similar story happen to her frequently. Which is suspect.
It'd end with a comma, then "and they posted my entire medical record, bills, insurance info, home address, etc"
Another thing that struck me is that if you don`t have money, evil people can just silence you by suing you (look at those court costs, 20k and counting?!)
Aren't designed to correspond to real payments. But like a sumo wrestling match in a kindergarten, sometimes the little guy gets squashed by accident. And you wind up with people getting $20k bills that don't necessarily know how to get out from under them.
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I've gotten so I just ask what the out of pocket cost is to pay cheaper (usually 1/2 price), and they still manage to hose me with extra services.
It's a racket.
I want to protect from the hospital bills from something major though, like a car wreck. I'm not sure that those $50 copay per doctor visit right from the start are even available anymore. That's the insurance I had when I was a youngster.
I pay (a lot) extra for a traditional PPO and get the old-fashioned $20/$50/$75 deductible.
Totally not true. Often they'll send a collection agency.
Dude only made around 30k per year... doing flooring, which could now kill him. Even if he could go back to his work, he had been off work for a couple months. The hospital's "reasonable payments" exceeded his income with work, and was impossible out. More common was a collection agency and eventual court date.
His way out was bankruptcy.
The discount is not guaranteed.
Present company (much of the HN demographic) excepted: a fair number of HN posters are very atypical in terms of their resources for doing things like hiring lawyers.
Huge numbers, perhaps a majority, are not cool with it. We've had national elections fueled by the discontent. But at least so far the political configuration of that discontent, not the magnitude of it, has prevented progress on lowering the cost of health care.
Health insurance in this country suffers from kind of a legacy situation. It is sort of like how the qwerty keyboard is terribly inefficient, but most people continue to use it.
From what I have read, at some point health insurance was offered as a means to beef up compensation in a way that was tax friendly for employees, thus helping to entice better employees to come work for your company. This became kind of the standard default and typically covered the family, not just the employee.
This was considered a perk in a situation where most people whipped out their check book to pay for medical care because it was relatively reasonably priced. Then health insurance became kind of the default and it adds overhead and complexity. Obomacare was passed as the only politically viable solution and it's a terrible solution.
Health insurance coverage for basic services doesn't really make sense. Insurance only makes sense as a bet to defray unexpected expenses. When you use it cover annual exams and other basics that you know are guaranteed to happen, it essentially creates an unnecessary middleman, pushing prices higher without providing any real benefit for the cost involved.
This is where we are now and most people don't know how to get out of this mess. It doesn't help that Obamacare puts a gun to your head and insists that most people participate in this charade or be fined at tax time, in essence. Ugh.
The old system of paying a doctor outright with a check or cash was not a universal healthcare solution - a lot of people couldn't afford it even back then.
Most developed countries deal with the cost problems of health care through strong price regulation, even the relatively laissez-faire systems like Singapore [1] or Switzerland.
Obamacare did a lot to improve access [2] (subsidies, pre-existing conditions, adult children on parents plans) - it's a lot like the Swiss system, - but unlike that system, it did very little to address costs.
1. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/upshot/what-makes-sing...
2. https://www.kff.org/uninsured/fact-sheet/key-facts-about-the...
That approach of mine is frequently misunderstood and perceived to be things like making excuses or justifying the current status quo, etc.
I don't know where you get US$1k for a regular exam, but that is wrong.
My doctor, for example, charges a base (list/MSRP/whatever) rate of $120-$180 for a regular exam.
The "negotiated" rate with the insurance company is $80.
The amount I pay, as a patient, is $10.
If you don't have insurance (for a while I didn't), he charges $50.
$1k for a regular exam is fiction.
> The amount I pay, as a patient, is $10.
This is Shkreli math. "Oh, insurance companies pay larger amounts, most people will get this drug for a $10 copay!"
Oh yes, the insurance companies, those philanthropists magicking money out of ... somewhere other than your pocket, be it directly or indirectly.
As a sibling poster to you said, the ridiculous pricing is part of a game between insurers and care providers. Throwing more money at insurers might not be the ideal answer.
> we have movement in the other direction because a lot of people hate others so much they do not want them to have healthcare
Last I checked nobody was opposing healthcare discussion and debate, so the "opposing" you're talking about appears to be in reference to Obamacare. Obamacare allowing healthcare providers and insurance companies to game the system more than ever before, by providing the backing of government coffers.
One either throws money at something that "obviously won't solve the problem"[0] or one "hates people to the degree that one does not want people to have healthcare"[0].
> That viewpoint is inexcusable in my opinion
What was that you were saying about inexcusable viewpoints?
[0] Paraphrased, but sentiment remains the same.
I drew the Obamacare conclusion from the reason in my above response. Nobody is adverse to discussing healthcare solutions, so what are you talking about when you say there is a movement of hate to the degree such that people are actively rejecting the idea of others having access to healthcare?
You might try to see how some of them might (reasonably) feel that the individual mandate was removing choice from them, rather than adding it. You might try to see how some of them felt that the cost of the mandated insurance was breaking them financially. Then you might not be so quick to ascribe their motives to nothing but hate.
You could have that level of empathy and still disagree with them.
You need to remember that healthcare and education taxes are literal robbery on the rich, who never have, and never will use those services.
I'm going to say something that is controversial, and I myself haven't decided is fact, so please don't interpret it that way. Most people who work hard and are smart, can get themselves out of the lower class, regardless of their start in life (assuming they are in a first world Western country).
For reference, I live in Australia and I pay a Medicare levy (public healthcare tax). I do not have private insurance and regularly use public healthcare services. Additionally, I have been on welfare in the past. I do not believe that public health care is a Bad Thing (c), but I believe that robbing from those that have never used the services is deeply immoral.
I am not arguing for or against public healthcare. This is a difficult problem to solve. Im just trying to tell you that the decisions and opinions are not necessarily hate fuelled. If you went outside and spoke to those who disagree with you, and listened, you would see that there are reasons besides hate, that people vote the way they do. If you can see my perspective and agree with what I've written in this comment (it's a hard problem, and I'm not arguing whether healthcare is bad or not), perhaps you would consider mailing your state rep about considering a healthcare plan that is only available to the lowest earning in society, and is funded by those who required the services in the past and have "made it". Perhaps something similar to an education loan in Australia (government pays for your education, you owe them the fee plus 30% (fixed, not annual interest), paid out of a fixed % of your salary whenever you earn more than a certain amount).
While this went through my head, I just thought about the idea of bank loans for medical expenses. Why is this not a thing? The person gets their healthcare (human life value) and then they pay the bank back over time, and don't have to rob other people (anti-theft value). I am absolutely sure that I'm not the first to come up with this idea, what down-sides does this have, such that it hasn't been considered as a viable solution?
By the way, I never said anybody should die. If you had actually read my comment, you would see at least one potential solution to the problem. If somebody with 5m gets sick and the medical bills cost 10m, then they could theoretically get a medical loan which they pay back over time. They might be paying it back for the rest of their life, but at least they're not dead.
I don't have statistics that indicate one way or another about the majority of people voting against public healthcare being those that need it the most. It doesn't really make sense to me, but I'm not arguing that point so I won't debate that.
I don't know what is considered middle class in America, but in Australia, 120k household income before tax is considered basically the bottom of the middle class. I could afford private health insurance in a single income family working as a cashier. So I would question the validity of the middle class being "People who are literally one job loss, accident, or injury away from homelessness".
Is everyone against that really a "person that hates others so much"?
The problem is that you've got a two party system where groups that don't share much in common are lumped together and people are voting for the 'least worst' option. There's no reason the social and economic positions of the Democrats/Republicans have to be linked together like they are.
If they weren't, people may vote differently.
Aside from that we are all covered by the state and are not billed for anything apart from some medications. Yeah, hospitals are not that great of a place and there is a lot to be improved, but at least you know that even if you are very poor, you will not be left to die (or with some ridiculous bills) if you are very ill.
And before someone asks, why to pay for private if you have state coverage.. It is a job perk, and in any case, you pay for your time. Service is much faster and more convenient for the basic stuff/illnesses.
I'm sure lawyers charge much less there than ones in New York as well.
Now, I understand I pay taxes to cover health care. This isn't really any worse than I was paying in the states in my monthly premiums. The thing is that it creates a wonderful sort of stability in life. I can plan on taxes, I can plan on the out-of-pocket costs for a year. I won't go bankrupt. I no longer feel I'm getting ripped off for something I might have little to no control over.
In this case, the doctors bigger concern may be insurance fraud , if overcharging and/or performing unnecessary procedures.
In contrast to privately insured people (basically, public servants, company founders, rich and ultra rich) who get to see the bills of the medical provider, they can bill the "common" insurance providers (GKV, Gesetzliche Krankenversicherung) directly without the customer seeing anything of the bill. This is, of course, ripe for abuse as no one will look if a doctor really did a specific billed procedure on a patient, especially not something in the 20-50€ range...
And many self-employed people and also some middle class people. Private insurance isn't that rare here.
PS: Interesting to see LN linked ;)
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webcivil/FCASeFiledDocsDeta...
If this is indeed true I'm not really interested to hear the other party story. Remember that the other party started the lawsuit and online reviews are something to get over with (unless the woman is backed by some entity that is going after that business)
Where do people here think the medical records were posted? On yelp? On the lawyers website? It is so weird people are just thinking that this stuff is posted publicly.
I'd hate to see it become another ZocDoc, where five stars reviews are copypasted ad infinitum.
[0] https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webcivil/FCASSearch?param=P
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webcivil/FCASCaseInfo?parm=...
This business recently made waves in the news, which often means that people come to this page to post their views on the news.
While we don’t take a stand one way or the other when it comes to these news events, we do work to remove both positive and negative posts that appear to be motivated more by the news coverage itself than the reviewer’s personal consumer experience with the business.
As a result, your posts to this page may be removed as part of our cleanup process beginning Tuesday, May 29, 2018, but you should feel free to post your thoughts about the recent media coverage for this business on Yelp Talk at any time. "
So is it like the news coverage never happened ? seems kind of disingenuous to remove everything during that period (whatever time frame they will decide on is interesting too)
Their coverage is not uniform across different countries (Germany is not bad but still occasionally spotty) but it's a great filter of the crap restaurants.
I know Yelp has a shady underbelly, but pretending that it doesn't have anything to offer is just being intellectually dishonest.
Actually, I used to read the Yelp complaints about the ice cream place near me, which had a famously cranky owner. Those often made me laugh; does that count as joy?
Yes, yes it does!
"I'm a food critic with Yelp.com... umkay."
http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s19e04-youre-not-yelpi...
Yelp doesn't do nearly as much as they should to protect their users.
Yelp has also been sued by investor's for allegedly misleading them into believing that Yelp was filtering out everything that wasn't reliable, first-hand reviews from people who actually went to those businesses and paid for services.
On a similar note, I believe business owners have alleged numerous times that when they refuse to pay the extortion fees to have bad reviews removed, they suddenly get a bunch of bad reviews all at once. Also, Yelp has seemingly had a habit of allowing competitor's post bullshit reviews on businesses who haven't paid them for that "service".
I don't what currently goes on, though. Maybe they have cleaned it up? But I doubt it.
I have some weird issues that no one can seem to figure out, so when I go to the Dr's, they'll sometimes take the shotgun approach. If they know that the insurance company is going to give me flak for something, the Dr's put down whatever is needed for insurance to cover it.
One example was when I felt a pop in my jaw after eating something. Within a few minutes it hurt so bad that I passed out from the pain, and woke up an hour or so later. I went to the Dr's and had them do what they do. They did a bunch of tests and the Dr told me that he had to put down that I have "head pains" instead of "jaw pains" otherwise insurance wouldn't cover it.
I'm not huge on the idea and I'm sure I'm paying for it in one way or another. It is much better than paying thousands out of pocket 5+ times a year.
And file a suit against Yelp.
Has some more details, from her side, about the alleged HIPAA violation:
> As if that was not enough, in the very early stages of the lawsuit Dr. Joon Song had my medical record posted online in it's entirety. My complete medical record was available publicly on the internet. My mental health, the details of my body even though i never took the gown off, my bills, my insurance details, my photo, my name, my birthday, my address and my phone number. All of this was posted.
> Dr. Joon Song and his lawyers claim that because i shared the details of my positive blood test privately with the court (which i was forced to do to defend myself) I waived all rights to my privacy and there is no HIPPA violation and I am further a liar in stating that he had violated my HIPPA rights by publishing my records.
> In addition to posting my medical records Dr. Joon Song refuses any amendment request . His office staff says my medical record is locked because he is using it to sue me. He maintains false information on my record to date.
Sounds like she's claiming that her medical info was posted as documents pertaining to the lawsuit.
edit: Others have posted the case filing, in which you can find the exhibits and affidavits. The alleged posting of medical records was not to the public Internet, but as part of a case filing. And only after, the plaintiff asserts, the defendant posted her own records:
That was the day I realized we as consumers are truly vulnerable.
Gotta watch what I say lest I get sued!
The subjects of negative reviews often attack the reviewers.
And, Yelp itself attacks the subjects of positive reviews. Their sales people call positively-reviewed small businesses and use hard-sell tactics to try to sell them advertising.
So, for your own sake don't post negative reviews. And, for the sake of the businesses you like don't post positive reviews.
Civil as well as criminal proceedings. I worry it's more about the money you have to spend, especially when this differs significantly between the opposing sides, than justice.
And, charging $1300 a visit, that doctor's going to have the spend.
Maybe, in this case, the chance of media coverage will produce a settlement before things hit the stratosphere.
At the same time, going onto social media and using words like "crook", etc. is... not the best approach. Stick to facts and more neutral language, and let the reader draw their own conclusion.
But then again, more and more often, any criticism seems to provoke nuclear escalation. Not to mention the pre-emptive strike of non-disparagement language in service contracts.
Ours is called a "knowledge economy". But a lot of self-serving interests are bent on shutting down the knowledge.
P.S. If medical records were shared, state licensing should be looking at pulling the doctor's license.
There's a purpose to regulation, that includes shutting down the most egregious behavior.
Also, prosecutors should be investigating medical and insurance fraud.
Back with the wind up of our "war on terror", a lot of law enforcement resources got directed away from domestic crime including white-collar crime, to chasing needles in the ever-bigger haystack that was being built.
Even a rich society faces limits to its resources. Especially when there are arguments and initiatives to reduce them. (The "tyranny of big government" -- unless it's law enforcement and the military, or is that law enforcement as the military?)
In part, current domestic problems are exacerbated by the pressure and actions to focus our resources abroad. And not in "economic aid", but in power politics.
No one's been tending the shop. And the worst and pushiest have been taking advantage.
Here's some examples of veterinarians who have have run ins with Yelp (leading to suicide in one case), and some of the mitigations they try:
http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/negative-reviews-yelp-and-y...
Always post reviews anonymously using an anonymous email address over Tor or free WiFi.
It seems bad business to go after disgruntled customers punitively rather than trying to correct the situation positively. There’s always some crazy customers out there, but either way: going after them just lends them credibility and a platform.
I have a bill from my daughter's pediatrician, which on first look appears to be a double charge for a developmental evaluation (filling out 3 pages of questions on her). I am not going to jump on Yelp and write the pediatrician is crooked or otherwise, until I am convinced it is either a clerical error, includes another form she had us fill out that I am unaware of is a separate, standard billable practice, or is plain dishonest, and trying to get more money out of my insurance company. I will admit my first reaction upon opening the bill, hungry, late, and overworked was "This is bullshit! They are trying to rob me!" I have been overseas for the past 8 out of 9-1/2 years, so I am going to tread lightly until I can ascertain the doctor's intentions. I think many people use Yelp or other online reviews as a forum for knee-jerk, emotional reactions.
I swear that I've heard about several different people paying Yelp to "remove" (or whatever term they called it) negative reviews on their site. This was a few years ago, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was still a thing.
https://www.zocdoc.com/about/blog/for-patients/the-zocdoc-do...
> Please note that we can’t publish claims about the accuracy of a practitioner’s treatment and diagnosis. Those are factual matters, and to verify them would require extensive medical studies.
https://nycdatascience.com/blog/student-works/web-scraping/a...
And so forth.
That said, if she can prove this bit:
> “They tried to drag my start-up wine-and-spirits technology business into it … They posted my entire medical record, including notes about my mental health, my bills, my insurance info, my driver’s license, birth date and home address,” she said.
... they're about to get smacked really hard.
I was actually very taken aback recently when I needed to get dental work and was presented with costing info about 10 mins after my visit started.
It did feel a bit greasy, I must admit - but I get that the point is for everyone to be on the same page before the procedure.
edit: I now recall that I did use Urgent Care for awhile for healthcare while uninsured - in the US - these are basically "fixed menu" clinics. They have a menu of services / costs for cash.
And also, each insurance pays differently for the same service.
You can always go as a patient to an all cash-clinic, which will have fixed pricing, but then you throw away the benefit of your insurance.
Yes, and the provider knows more or less upfront how much each insurance provider will cover. My dentist can handle this just fine for every single procedure and I'm out of network. They've never been wrong. The coverages are fairly standard as are in/out of network fees.
When a doctor has to file a claim with an insurance,he has to pick between 10s of thousands of codes and then out of different procedures, that have different values based on how much documentation is gathered, that changes per insurance, and then the insurance will renegotiate.
I am in the business, I can tell you its impossible to know what the insurance company is going to pay.
The codes are standardized for different procedures. If you know that you're doing procedure X, Y and Z and are billing against provider A who you've already billed before, then you know more or less how much they're going to pay for those three procedures based on experience and the standard in-network cost for those procedures. It's not like an insurance provider is suddenly going to reimburse half the cost for shits and giggles. Everything is fairly standardized and theres only so many variables you have to deal with.
Sorry, but if your org has no patience for patients (pun intended), then you are in the wrong biz. It comes across as, "Our business would be smooth if not for pesky humans."