Ineffective Entrepreneurship: Post-Mortem of Hippo
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> I think my particular mistake was probably being too optimistic about how much development work David and A would and could do. I should have been more critical of our development productivity and not given them so much of the benefit of the doubt.
Developers: Don't work for these people. This is why it is so important to donate your time to people who are serious. Do not give your time to backstop someone's else fantasies of doing something "important" or getting rich.
Plus, this isn't even a great idea, it sounds like a pitch for a silicon valley joke. Who wants an app to randomly nag them throughout the day to enter information to determine if you are happy or not. And his ideas for making you happy are telling- offer to watch a TED talk?
There's nothing wrong with being non-technical, but you have to be able to bring some sort of value. Same thing as the common advice for indie game devs: your game idea is worthless, we all have at least 5 ideas kicking around. Show me a basic implementation, or some nearly-finished art assets, or at the very least a compelling business plan with data to back it up.
Edit: this was maybe a bit harsh, I think his developer should share some blame here too. 2 years of part-time work and they were having trouble sending random push notifications? Aside from the random timing, sending a push notification is essentially android's hello world project. If you aren't interested in working on the project, then say so, don't pretend you will and then not do anything.
In practice though, knowing WHAT to build is at least as important a skill as HOW to build it. Things an engineer wants to build are not necessarily things a customer will buy. So starting with someone with understanding of the market is probably more likely to bring success.
- Married to the "how": app, app, app, app. It didn't have to be an app. You wanted to use technology to make people happier. There's a lot more technology than apps.
+ talking to users: well done!
+ reaching out to potential customers!: really, well done!
- not following up with customers: face palm. But that's ok, talk to another one and keep in touch!
- not using customer agreements to raise money for product dev: you should have used the banks agreement to a trial to help fund developement. The bank could have sponsored the initial build! You could have raised a little money from people based on that. Gone to an accelerator, it didn't have to YC.
- started a PhD: focus!!!! Argh. Now you're just going to half ass both.
- couldn't develop product faster enough: perhaps you needed a more experienced developer? Maybe you needed different tech. Because you were basically building a business off the back of a favour, you were pretty stuck though. You can't fire a favour.
- 9 months to launch an Alpha: this is too long to wait to get a simple mood tracking app into alpha. It didn't need to be anything more than that at this point. The fancy can come later.
- let's use ML!: NO! You do not have time for the distraction. Unless you're going to use the Hype train to raise funds.
- not useful, technical issues: fix them?
+ apply to YC: good, seeking mentorship is probably a good idea :).
- only apply to YC: all your eggs in one basket is not a good strategy.
- still struggling to articulate the idea: what did you tell the bank? That seemed to work. Mayhaps you're a little dissolusioned? Take a break tbh.
Generally great approaches, I think if you were to try again a few times you'd make it. It's evident that you have some of the right mind set to make it work.
I think you gained a fair amount of CV worthy skills and experience tbh.
> Stardom and riches beckoned! I could practically see my face on Wired magazine.
Many years ago I worked with a sports psychologist and one of the things he impressed strongly upon me was that you don't want to get caught up in dreams of the end success. The reason being that your mind can't always clearly tell the difference between the real endpoint where you can kick back and relax and the daydreams of that end point. As a result if you spend too much time dreaming about what it will be like at the end you risk getting disengaged because you've created a situation where your mind might think you have already made it more than you really have.
(Hopefully this paraphrasing gets the idea across)
The “Hippo” irony comes from a story from the incredible Ernesto Sirolli:
“SIROLLI: It was a project where we Italians decided to teach Zambian people how to grow food. So we arrived there with Italian seeds in southern Zambia in this absolutely magnificent valley going down to the Zambezi River. And we taught the local people how to grow Italian tomatoes and zucchini. And of course, the local people had absolutely no interest in doing that so we paid them to come and work, and sometimes they would show up. And we were amazed that the local people in such fertile valley, would not have any agriculture. But instead of asking them how come they were not growing anything, we simply said, thank God we're here. Just in the nick of time to save the Zambian people from starvation.
And of course, everything in Africa grew beautifully and we had these magnificent tomatoes. In Italy, a tomato would grow to this size. In Zambia, to this size. And we were telling the Zambians, look how easy agriculture is. When the tomatoes were nice and ripe and red, overnight, some 200 hippos came up from the river and they ate everything. And we said to the Zambians, my God, the hippos. And the Zambians said, yes, that's why we have no agriculture here. Why didn't you tell us? You never asked. I thought it was only us Italian's blundering around Africa, but then I saw what the Americans were doing, what the English were doing, what the French were doing. And after seeing what they were doing, I became quite proud of our project in Zambia because, you see, at least we fed the hippos.”
>>> Failing unremarkably can happen and is something you should consider as a possibility. If I were to claim I had built career capital as a result of my 2.5 (mis)adventure, I would be deceiving myself. As it is I walk away with no cool story, no CV points. At least if I’d blown some money (mine
That's real failure.
[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_xjb7LB7VY
[1]: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/why-you-only-need-to-test-w...
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Why do millennials think that working on a side project for a short while constitutes a start up or being an entrepreneur? You had a vague idea, worked on it for a while and it turned out to go nowhere. There is nothing wrong with that. But it was just a side project and not a start up. It certainly does not make you an entrepreneur.
By that definition I have had a dozen start ups and almost every programmer I know must be an entrepreneur. When did the bar get so low? Is no action too small for self-aggrandizement?
If I write a blog post I am not suddenly a published author. If I give $20 to a homeless person I am not suddenly a philanthropist. Helping a friend with some code does not suddenly make me a professional teacher.
Millennials, get over yourself.
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I don’t even know what he added to the project. He sounds like one of those ‘idea guys’ who think the hard part of a startup is thinking of features. No, the hard part is executing.
While, towards the end, the OP briefly refers to his efforts as "a startup" I think he was pretty clear that he was mostly trying to get to a point where he could __start__ a startup.
With that in mind, wrapping this in <rant> tags is a lot like being the person who says "I apologize in advance if I act like an ass today but..." It doesn't matter how that person prefaces it, they're still an ass. Extending empathy and understanding to your need to rant requires of us the same level of effort as the inverse: you extending some understanding to a group of people steeped in a culture of entrepreneurship-as-the-everyday, and understanding why that might not mean "self-aggrandizement" but instead mean "the way people I know talk" in a very benign, even banal, way.
>almost every programmer I know must be an entrepreneur. When did the bar get so low?
Probably before you were born. See the old quote about Americans being a country where everyone walks around thinking of themselves as "temporarily embarrassed millionaires". The word choice has changed, but the sentiment is nothing new.
Past that, you made me think critically for a while about the question "What if the people, who require temporary ego inflation to consider taking action, stop giving themselves that luxury?" and after some contemplation, I hope they don't stop. I hope they keep on keeping on. I also hope (as you do) that they will be a bit less insufferable in how they describe it afterward. But I don't want them to stop trying.
Besides, Side Projects are Never Successful anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch3oW550adA&t=3m39s
What is a real entrepreneur then? Someone who quits their job and risks everything to fail?
You don't have to do that anymore for businesses with basically 0 startup capital requirements, > 90% margins and minimal time commitments ala software.
Are you calling for the classic starving artist entrepreneur who struggles through hell to build their business?
People don't always need to dance like that sort of monkey anymore, please stop demanding the weird masochistic performance porn. Working your self to a lonely death is no longer cool and shouldn't be again.
I'm sure you have other criteria that we must meet to be true entrepreneurs though. I'd love to hear them!
I don't know what world you live in, but in mine, new software takes a lot of time to write, or a lot of money to pay someone to write it.
Edit: My MVPs may not meet your requirements for new software. They will not be all singing, all dancing. They will do some tiny slice of core functionality that allows me to prove the value of technologies application to the problem. Often with serious manual intevention.
I agree, an MVP is not a business. I would not expect that a business would be built in a few weeks or even months. My personal experience with businesses is that they take years.
But we're not talking about building a business. You do not launch an MVP and call it a business.
I was specifically talking about proving a business case for a solution that could turn into a business. This is precisely what the things we call 'MVPs' are mean't to be for.
Then what exactly were you talking about when you wrote this:
> businesses with basically 0 startup capital requirements, > 90% margins and minimal time commitments ala software.
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> I was specifically talking about proving a business case for a solution that could turn into a business.
At that point, however, you do not have a business. And you're not an entrepreneur.
* Viable? * Product?
My requirements are:
Viable: Someone will use it. Product: Someone will pay me.
imho, it has nothing to do with the time you work on it. Some people are blessed with "the good idea" and get the opportunity to hack they way from a side project to real entrepreneurship.
The title of the post is "... the app that never quite was" and the first line of a post states "I spent I spent two and half years trying to start a startup". The story is how I spent loads of time, failed to succeed in any interesting way, feel kind of embarrassed about it, and want this to be a lesson to other "asipirant effective entrepreneurs". Note the use of 'never quite was', 'trying', and 'aspirant'. I'm not sure I could have told my story of non-failure (failing even to fail) in a less aggrandising way.
I welcome your suggestions on this last point, if you have any.