Hacker News Reader

Except of course with the new super secure card it can't be the banks fault because it's secure - so any fraud must be your fault and so you are liable.

That's what they tried here with chip+pin cards

View on HN

Actually I'm fairly sure it's only legal for them to hold you responsible to ~50 dollars in case of ID theft. Don't you think the CC companies would want to make you liable? Of course they would.

These are the same banks that denied phantom ATM withdrawals were possible and prosecuted people who reported losses for bank fraud. Within days of introducing chip+pin (where you enter your atm PIN at the checkout to use the debit card) it was discovered that pin readers at all Shell gas stations, and a couple of major supermarkets had been compromised and were logging all the card details and pin of your ATM card.

The T+C of the card claims that since you must have revealed your PIN to somebody it's your liability. Until there was a massive public outcry.

In Switzerland, you get a 6-digit PIN, a chip in the card, and SecurID to log into online banking, but you are held responsible if unauthorized transactions go through.

Just if the transactions went through with your personal secret pin code. And even then it's certainly a case by case basis.

Reply on news.ycombinator.com