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Skype for Business is actually being deprecated and replaced with Microsoft Teams[0].

Microsoft Teams is impressive that it actually manages to have a worse desktop client than Skype for Business, and the web site is barely any better. If people on O365 haven't used it, they should since Microsoft will force it on you sooner or later.

It is like Microsoft wanted to clone a bunch of popular services (e.g. Slack) and just mashed them all together without a care in the world, and to top it off had to make a bad UWP desktop application that needed touch support so they cut 90% of common features to fit in enough voidspace into the UI for touch.

[0] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftteams/faq-journey

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I feel compelled reiterate to the world how astonishingly bad Teams is. We've been using it since its release and some days I'm convinced that there must be some internal management issue causing employees to deliberately sabotage the product.

Honestly I've found Teams to be preferential to Skype. The Screen Share features works heads over heels better than Skypes. Though It'd be 10x better with the standard Unicode Emoji set and having URLs to Online Meeting's like Skype.

It's fine. If they made it a lot faster it would be decent.

Actually, I forgot about attachments and sharing. Those are not great either.

I agree completely with your assessment. I used to gripe about SfB, but Teams is hilariously bad. Off the top of my head:

   -200MB minimum memory usage whether you use the desktop app or in a browser. Usually much more

   -Animated GIFs animate FOREVER with no way to turn them off, except by turning them off for everyone in your entire organization

   -Attachments fail constantly

   -Randomly takes over your SfB chats/calls

   -Can't have more than 19 people in a chat channel at once

   -Bots only work in the unintuitive, threaded "Teams" part that no one seems to grok, not the chat part that everyone actually uses

However I do like the ability to add random onenotes etc to channels, and to be fair it has been getting better, albeit slowly

Add to that "crappy search" and "scrolling back through history results in long delays during which the entire display is blanked".

Teams does something much better than SfB. It keeps IMs in sync between clients and devices. If I reply to an IM on my phone in SfB it stays on my phone. There's no way to get that conversation history onto my desktop client. Teams acts like you would expect and all clients get all the history.

Yes SfB's biggest problem is that it has skype in the name so people try to use it as an instant messenger.

It's ok for audio/video, but an abomination for instant messages - almost spitefully bad for text based communication due to the way it randomly redirects messages within a conversation to e.g. Outlook.

- Has their own poorly written markdown-WYSIWYG hibrid thing that often puts what i'm writing into some state where I need to clear out the whole message and start over.

- Butchers 2-factor auth on mobile and often puts you into a neverending authentication loop (sending tens of text messages if your second factor is setup like that)

- notifications that never clear unless you click on the channel, scroll to the "unread" message, and wait for a few seconds.

It is like Microsoft wanted to clone a bunch of popular services (e.g. Slack) and just mashed them all together without a care in the world

The LinkedIn Model.

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