Farewell from the Pineapple Fund
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I don't have solutions I guess, just grumbling. But thinking about that makes this historical act of kindness a little bittersweet.
The benefit to society from donating to charity can range from positive, to zero, to negative. Often negative. Anyone with money can donate, but it takes a lot of work to donate to things that make the world better. The Pineapple fund seems to have put in the effort to donate to projects with high positive impact, in a way that does the most good. (It's possible to donate to good projects in bad ways, such as by requiring them to use the money to build a building with your name on it.)
Doing the work can be exasperating, because you think "I'm giving away money, and I have to do all this work too???" But it's the work that makes the difference.
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It was based on an intuitive idea: if teenagers see how bad jail is, they'll want to do anything they can to avoid it. That turned out pretty poorly - they instead built social connections with criminals, and were substantially more likely to get involved with crime themselves.
[1] http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2010/07/01/the-playpump-what-we... [2] https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2003/04/02/UNICEF-Rations-b...
For one thing, the fact that it is tax deductible itself results in it being the focus of self-serving tax dodges that aren't really charitable. If charities remained tax exempt but donations weren't tax deductible, the abuse incentive would be removed.
There's also, of course, well meaning but counterproductive charities, but the subsidy also probably increases the share of donations that goes to those, since it reduces the incentive for donor diligence.
https://www.livemint.com/Opinion/b6rCZ0tubpb0GIYfq7hnBM/Weak...
It probably doesn't take much work to ignore the latter, as long as you ignore emotional appeals and use a little bit of reason instead. But it takes some work if you want to go up the spectrum, if you want to find the more effective charities. If saving lives is your primary concern, then GiveWell does great jobs in rating charities by their effectiveness (in dollars per life saved). If you're interested in different types of social impact, then you'll likely have to do this work yourself.
Even with good intentions, predicting outcomes is difficult. When you donate to a charity(or any organization), you are giving them more influence while delegating decision making. The best option seems to be: find something you really care about and get your hands dirty.
Some also feel that donating has a risk of creating dependency.
It would be nice to give them a resource where they have access to good information and can pick without pressure.
Someone posted this comment on Reddit:
"Thank you for doing what so many wish they would do in your position but yet fail to when they get there. Really proud of you and appreciative of your generosity." - https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/8ieffr/farewell_fr...
And I pasted my reply below - I'd appreciate conversation to get into the depths of others understanding if you have contrary thoughts to mine, and so if you believe my thinking is wrong then I can further refine my understanding and nuances:
There's likely no generosity here. All of the donations were likely related to countering capital gains taxes. Depending on where this person lives, let's say their capital gains taxes are 40%: for them to owe $55,000,000 they would have sold and removed roughly $140,000,000 from the ecosystem; How a qualified appraiser reasonably determines "fair market value" in something as volatile at incentivized crypto-assets - I don't know - it's probably going to end up gouging society via taxes as well.
Likewise, they potentially did absolutely nothing except do mining early on (or make a good bet) and promote Bitcoin et al, getting more people to adopt/buy them - allowing them to then sell with where we're at in the scheme.
These incentivized crypto-assets are also a Ponzi-Pyramid structure, where like in a traditional Ponzi scheme it's usually the early adopters who gain more and the later adopters who lose more; technically with a single stock broker making the decisions, they would get to decide exactly who profits from the investment, and who's money they run or exit with.
It is possible they donated more than they required to counter taxes, however I doubt they'd verify that with independently selected third-parties - and it'd be naive to merely take their word for it.
It's also other people's future money being donated - and those people are now bearing the unrealized cost, until they sell at least; not such a big deal for the receiving party of a donation, however it's a problem if they were actually purchased.
And now unfortunately these charities have become aligned and vested in these crypto-asset donations maintaining their current value, or promoting them so they go up even for (for no actual work being done) - trying to get later adopters to buy in a higher perceived value; if actual work was being done that was worthwhile to pay for, people could pay in a non-incentivized crypto-asset, if the immutable blockchain ledger is a primary value.
It's only reached such proportions because in part of its global nature, and because there isn't a single stock broker - it's an situation that's been forced on regulators around the world, and who are being influenced by lobbyists to attempt to indoctrinate regulators based on their biased understanding. It's a global pyramid of cards stacked waiting to tumble, the people making the money are the earlier adopters, and those [platforms] selling the shovels/services for this new "gold" rush.
Those who think society is oblivious to the Ponzi-Pyramid structures are going to find disappointment. The positive rallying for Bitcoin et al is because you're all aligned, incentivized to want them to work out - and that sentiment isn't equally countered solely because people keeping the system in check aren't at minimum disproportionately incentivized (e.g. they may have a government job with a salary that pays fiat currency as their incentive to do the work), nor are there the masses - the "HODL" rallying of both when a crypto-asset value is at a high and a low is interesting, to say the least: https://hackernoon.com/analyzing-every-reddit-comment-mentio...
It is great - yes - that there is at least one person who perhaps did indeed invest the majority (50%+1?; if they're telling the truth) of their crypto-assets to charities who could realize the value now (and I like a lot of those charities), or the charities may hold onto them until they crash in value. Or they will slowly sell them off as a trickle to not upset the ecosystem [as the ecosystem has seemed to have learned to manage for now] - meanwhile the remainder of the community, likely individuals with the smaller amounts invested, are doing the HODL rallying game keeping the perceived value artificially higher - meanwhile earlier adopters are extracting money at a rate that new money is coming into the system (based on the confidence the stabilized price - maintained by the HODLing - allows for).
Now what about the unknown list of bad actors who have already entered the system, who are perhaps planning to put more money into it to keep it perpetuated, and will attempt at any means to cause more-to-all of society to adopt it so the artificially perceived value - and wealth/buying power - is unreasonably and unnecessarily reallocated weighted towards them, the earlier adopters?
I would recommend everyone think through the long-term negative consequences, they aren't outweighed by the potential positives - and those positives are all achievable by non-Ponzi-Pyramid scheme incentivized means. The long-term in discussions, particularly the negatives, is rarely brought up - I imagine heavily to avoid flame wars, or you simply get "downvoted to hell" by those, as I mentioned above, incentivized to rally for their gains.
It's interesting too that they didn't liquidate the $55MM (or their full amount into fiat currency), and then donate that to charities. Aside from the negative impact dumping that quickly could have on its perceived value - like we've seen before, it's apparently better for tax reasons too to donate a crypto-asset; I imagine now that larger financial institutions are involved and other well-organized organizations have created a legitimate market structure, perhaps like Coinbase, are keeping large sums of capital at bay from investors wanting to buy a lot -- so they can buy up large quantities when necessary to avoid exposing volatility.
If you think the layman person investing say as little as $100 (that little or less for them to be aligned with the masses of the ecosystem, to be part of the mob) is educated enough to make a sound investment decision, to understand this complex holistic ecosystem, well you're wrong and if you profit off of selling your incentivized crypto-asset you're taking advantage of people. This is why stock markets were formed with regulations and oversights and due diligence for individual companies, etc. Perhaps you reading this don't fully understand it either, or didn't, and it's long-term implications. So are you going to pretend it's not a Ponzi-Pyramid scheme and hope it works out, and that society isn't actually being taken advantage of? I hope more of you sooner than later realize this. Some people do know this is the game they're playing, and they're happy to take advantage of others - however it's immoral to do if they don't know they're playing that game.
The simple truth is the proposed benefits of the structures allowed with incentivized crypto-assets don't work out long-term if you can't separate the two systems. If the system inherently has a Ponzi-Pyramid structure - you can't simply dismiss that, and you can't - as a society - allow it; the two systems being a model that leads to "incentivized collaboration" leading to independently owned services tied together through a transaction layer (that logically doesn't make sense to have an incentivized structure), and that of Ponzi-Pyramid schemes.
Also, it results in more loss of wealth for the donator: if I owe the government $1 in taxes, I can choose to pay the government that $1 or, if I loathe the idea of the government getting that $1 and I can afford it, I can choose to give ~$3 to a charity instead.
The fact that rich people choose to donate to charity at a rate of about 3:1 instead of paying the government says a lot about their faith in the government in spending their money wisely.
Even then, you're still out $12. Though magnifying the impact of a $5M effective contribution to $55M with donations to causes that I support is tempting.
Are you in a high-tax state?
Politics is a gray area with 501c3s and 501c4s being vastly different tax benefits.
Employing friends means they still need to pay income tax right?
We teach recipes to kids, which kinda is a hobby? I just want kids to learn low cost recipes and have freedom from their parents.
Maybe some people are malicious, but I am not.
It's not a matter of trying to beat the system, donating to a charity is an opportunity afforded by governments (not sure all of them do) to allow the individual an opportunity for the money to go to a specific cause instead of to society in general - which is why charities are regulated and have rules, albeit perhaps not regulated well enough.
Edit to add after you added to your comment:
Perhaps I better needed to separate (and improve) my understanding of taxes - and the distaste for how profits are realized in incentivized crypto-assets.
Thanks for engaging.
'So what an individual can do is offer to donate, say, 10% of his company to a charity. Let's say that the company did really well last year so that guy can easily find an accountant to say that 10% is worth $10M. So the guy has a $10M tax deduction he can use as he sees fit (subject to AMT and other shit, but you get the point). The guy also knows that last year's performance was a blip and if he repeated that 10% donation this year, he'd only get a valuation of $5M. In effect he's got an extra $5M from the valuation.
When I was younger, I was on the young alumni board for the university I went to for undergrad and we used to see this all the time. Someone would donate property/illiquid securities/art/etc with an 'assessed' value of (say) $10M, but when the school went to sell it, they'd only realize (say) $3M in cash. But the guy would still get to keep the $10M tax deduction. To a guy like that, a $10M tax deduction could be worth $4m to $5M easily.
I'm sure you're wondering, and yes this is in that 'gray zone' that's just millimeters from being tax fraud. However, the IRS rarely pursues these cases 1) because they are really hard to win, 2) the school doesn't really care b/c they still just got a $3M donation, and 3) the school isn't going to 'help' the IRS (beyond bare minimum compliance) b/c the school would have to give up the $3M.'
See https://avc.com/2018/05/giving-publicly-traded-stock-to-char...
I can see taking issue with the forgone taxes or whatever, but a $10 million stock donation doesn't keep any extra money in your pocket (which is the scam proposed in the WOT above, that big donations somehow are profitable).
An isomorphic situation is if Congress passed a law matching at a 1.2:8.8 ratio every charitable donation made to Watsi, and next year you donate $1.2m to Watsi; you end up with $1.2m less, Watsi ends up with $10m more.
It doesn't matter whether or not you think this donor deserved the money in the first place. As long as the money wasn't stolen, then it simply came from other bitcoin investors/gamblers. It is their loss, and the charities' gain.
Paying your taxes to not end up in jail isn't generosity. Paying taxes is being part of a system that you've benefit from.
If you gave more money to charity than is owed in taxes - and that was yours that you reasonably and fairly earned - then you could argue there's generosity involved.
You're correct in saying that without more confirmed information, we can't know how much or if any generosity occurred. I did however say "likely no generosity" - which is different from saying a firm statement of "no generosity here" - so my statement isn't impossible.
And since you seem so concerned, you can't donate your way out of paying taxes because your total charitable deduction can’t exceed 50% of your adjusted gross income.
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I tend to read grayed out comments too. Maybe they're making a controversial but otherwise good point. I'll upvote / vouch those. Or maybe they're just crap. I'll flag or further downvote those.
Anyone verify?
- discredits the generosity of givers by calculating that they "likely" saved more in capital gains taxes than they gave away (and attacking them by forcing them to undergo a public audit or allow public to assume this to be true). [Responses highlight the absurdity of this claim.]
- they don't deserve credit because they accumulated their coins early on when it was easy/cheap
- the donated coins (and all cryptocurrencies apparently) are nothing more than an elaborate ponzi-pyramid scheme, therefore the donation merits no praise
- their true motivation, at least in part, was to align innocent charities with the crypto world, thereby corrupting their interests
- they should have liquidated the coins and given away the hard currency
- etc.