Windows 10 1803 Update Failure
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I haven't had any problems updating and even big updates are fast. This is in contrast to a Dell laptop I got for work and which regularily took 45min to update.
If you have problems with your Windows 10, get rid of the crapware that came with your PC and/or do a fresh install from a clean image from MS (not one of the OEM rescue partitions/disks).
I with MS would do something about all the preinstalled crapware, because it has gotten out of hand and is hurting the brand.
I've worked in an IT shop before. Even if the image is just Windows 10 with included drivers, those drivers can include bundled programs and bloatware themselves. I used a Dell laptop in the past with Windows 8 that had a trackpad application which had to autostart and run in the background for the trackpad to work properly. No matter what, that program was guaranteed to be using at least 50MB of RAM. Upon upgrading to 8.1, I had a bunch of OS errors. Turns out, uninstalling and reinstalling the trackpad driver fixed the problem.
OEM drivers aren't just the drivers themselves, but often instead an entire suite of programs that bloat your system and interfere with Windows' ability to take care of itself.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/8g73kb/is_it_how...
I still have the following issue, even though I never installed an insider build on this machine.
If we're really moving to the equivalent of Windows 11 and 12, I must ask: who is paying for these releases (besides OEMs with new hardware)?
I'm not paying the upgrade fee I paid for 98, XP, and 7 on old hardware. Microsoft is obviously not a charity and their devs don't work for free, and they have to recoup their costs and more.
But telemetry, tie-ins to other MS products like XBox, media subscriptions, Azure and Office 365, and even advertising on my desktop, along with now being volunteered by Microsoft to take on their QA as they force-install beta software on my PCs are NOT things I'm willing to exchange for the former $100 upgrade costs I've always willingly paid previously and made them a very profitable company.
In other words, each newer update brings fewer features I want as a paying user, and more and more anti-features I'm not willing to trade for my privacy, time, and attention.
The fact that they have to nerve to explicitly reset, upon each update, the settings that took me hours to find and apply - turning off Cortana, the telemetry (the most I can, anyway), all the privacy-invading phone / tablet features, the demands to sign-in to MS account, etc - pisses me off and makes it easier to swallow the issues with Linux and the absurb prices Apple charges.
I am gathering money to buy the maxed out iMac Pro (~$13,100) but in the meantime I have nothing bad to say about the MBP 2015. Occasional stupid bugs do occur of course, like in any OS, but rarer than on my Windows 10 PC, and a restart fixes things which usually never resurface again.
So yes they are expensive. I was a Linux/Windows and Android advocate most of my life but eventually conceded that Apple is simply much more comfortable, predictable and ergonomic (their displays don't tire my eyes as any other display I tried, including gaming displays with 144-200Hz refresh rate) and that I have better things to do with my life than to always do the OS authors' work for them. Much bonus points to them for actual privacy as well.
As for the builtin software's quality, I agree it's not stellar -- and the App Store on macOS is a relic from the past that's way beyond its lifetime and needs urgent rework.
That being said, the OS itself is crazy stable for me and the occasional glitches appear only once or twice. Not sure how you got so unlucky, sorry about that.
And finally, I was able to find software for absolutely everything I need, in every single user or programming area. Granted I am not a researcher that has to maintain 50+ installed runtimes and compilers but I code in several languages and use several different databases and I haven't stumbled upon a single issue there.
You're saying I should go to an authorized Apple shop and have them crack it open to dust it out and change thermal paste?
I've always had Thinkpads and Dells which are servicable, and I do spray compressed air on the inside every few years, but have never re-applied thermal paste.
You do this on your MBPs? How much will it cost every few years, and also should I bother with Apple care? Right now I've only the one year warranty.
As for the MBP 2015, many users have reported that the thermal paste Apple puts in it in the factory is not optimal and they achieved 4-7 degress less sustained temperature by using a better one. I am attempting to do that soon.
As for air sprays, DEFINITELY DO NOT THAT. MacBooks are crazy packed on the inside, it's very risky in my opinion. Cleaning it from dust once or twice a year is extremely cheap around here in Bulgaria -- they charge me 20 EUR if they are grumpy. (Mine is out of warranty however, I bought it refurbished from a colleague.) Authorized Apple shops might charge times more though, I haven't asked and I don't know.
And finally, replacing the thermal paste is also an extremely quick process. A good technician does it for 30 to 45 minutes and a paste costing no more than 20-25 EUR can be at the top of its game for 2 years or more, depending on usage.
All in all, I plan to de-dust the laptop in a service shop once a year, and change thermal paste if I notice an increased sustained temperature. (Definitely buy iStat Menus, it gives you tons of diagnostic info right on your menu bar.)
Hope that helps.
Not so much telemetry and tie ins, but enterprise users of Azure, 365 and CAL licensed products like Exchange and RDS. Perhaps if they can charge me £1,000 a month for my office users, then they are not so bothered about the cost of making the OS?
I think you are spot on with this, MS have pushed some really major updates, which would at least have been a service pack in the past, if not a new version. Not least I believe they have made some breaking changes to the update process which should do away with the enforced restarts in future
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I upgraded to 18.03 about an hour after it was live. It was a very fast and painless upgrade on a ~4 year old workstation (parted out by pieces). I was running 17.09 Pro edition prior to 18.03.
Wayyyy faster than trying to restore from factory image.
On different laptops attempting to restore from factory image has failed, or taken more than overnight to get to current version.
So far I have had 100% success fixing Windows update issues by doing a clean install from the latest Microsoft ISO.
I had a couple of PC's which were upgraded from earlier versions of Windows when it was free. Installing from USB sure did free up a lot of disk space!
Licensing headaches seem to have gone away too. I did one fresh install onto a different hard-drive and it just worked.
There seems to be one Windows 10 update which forces a reboot, and then it never happens again. If you build your USB today I donlt think you will suffer that.
Putting that aside this article misses one important point. Windows 10 is extremely backwardly compatible with earlier versions. At the day job we have a number of legacy apps, things built in VB6 for instance, and they worked first time on Windows 10. To be clear, we are talking about applications written around 20 years ago, which are still working on Windows 10. I don't run any Apple devices anymore but it certainly wasn't my experience that Apple cared about backwards compatibility back then.
RE: same old regedit etc. The enterprise admins I know seem extremely pleased to see these old faithfuls in place. Where Windows 10 has added a new way of doing something (like the new control panel), it is very heartening to find the familiar old version running alongside.
I think it is fair to say that enterprise loved XP, hated Vista, liked 7, hated 8 and tolerated 8.1. Enterprise seems very happy with Windows 10 so far.
So while I don't have a good solution for Windows Update issues, re-installs are a LOT less painful with choco[0]. I have one choco script for my home machine, one for work, one for the wife, and one for the parents. It makes things so much easier!
Edit: I am not affiliated with Choco in any way
I've had much better luck with it than Choco.
There is no easy way to avoid updates interrupting your work, always when you need to use your PC for an urgent work issue.
The home screen adverts, and preinstalled junkware are insulting.
It is impossible to interact with the OS for more than a few minutes without finding another bug you have never seen before.
On Friday I was using a test laptop. The start menu stopped working, so I do a restart, but Windows decides to do an update (ignoring the configured "don't update between 8am and 6pm" setting).
I can't believe they don't have a professional version with a yearly subscription. I want my tools to work, not interrupt me, or fail randomly.
As much as I hate to admit it, AD is the killer feature that keeps MS king of the enterprise
This sounds a little harsh, but the most likely cause of this issue is your SysAdmin not knowing how to manage Windows. If you don't provision the image at all, you'll wind up with a copy of Pro with a few more enterprise features. If you want to slim it down, you'll need to do so.
Isn't that the complain? A serious enterprise version (and Pro version for that matter) should never include candy crush or ads in the first place. And it should not require every sysadmin in the world to disable them.
They just took the default provisioning profile which is the same as a end user install of Pro. People had the same complaints about Windows Media Player, Solitaire, and even IE if you go far enough back. But the response now is the same as the response then: Provision Windows Enterprise how you want it, don't just use the defaults and then complain when that isn't to your tastes.
I'm not thrilled that ANY version of Windows ships with Candy Crush, but removing it from Enterprise is far easier than retail since you're provisioning the OS anyway; in retail you're likely having to uninstall all of the tat one by one.
So the problem is that "Professional" should never include crapware and adverts.
I don't mind being charged from Professional (in fact we always upgrade non-test Windows installs).
I definitely mind having to treat a clean Windows Professional install like a cheap laptop install.
So stop using Windows.
It's really that simple. Until people stop buying Windows, this will never change.
However our business clients use Windows which means I need to test my work against IE, Edge, Windows 10 Mobile, and Windows touch screens.
Also our business would need to do a 100% rewrite of the core product (which depends on Windows).
A friend came crying to me because of Windows the other day. They can't afford a new laptop. I am the only person they can turn to for free.
My Dad depends on Windows for his work and he is too old to want to start his project from scratch on a new system.
My work, my friends, my tit-for-tat acquaintances, my family all depend on me helping them with Windows. Sometimes I can avoid it (give Mum an Android laptop; give a friend an old laptop with Linux). Mostly I can't.
Welcome to reality.
As simple as halting climate collapse by 'people' greatly reducing their car & electricity usage. Then lets stop war by 'people' refusing to fight or manufacture arms.
Much would be simple if there existed a decision-making unit we could label 'people'.
Look, I do a lot of embedded work. And that's about as Windows-y as it gets with drivers and tools. And, yes, I have more than a few virtual machines with Windows.
However, I can minimize the amount I use Windows outside that arena. Linux with a Windows VM when you absolutely need it is a solid choice. OS X with a Windows VM when you absolutely need it is also a solid choice.
Funny you should mention climate change. Cutting down on your "Windows footprint" is like cutting down on your "carbon footprint". 100% is never achieved in one jump--it is a gradual process. And, quite often, benefits appear much sooner than you expect. (Less Windows means less ransomware exposure, for example)
But any sentence starting with "X would be easy if people [or 'everyone'] did Y .. ", directly entails "X is difficult".
Not having to wrangle bluetooth/printer/graphics card drivers for hours is nice. This admittedly has improved a ton on linux in recent years, though.
1. Edge in tablet mode, portrait, on low end tablet: you can't get to the far right hand side of your web page. Happens on major sites. (Scroll bar at bottom of <body> is missing right hand arrow - showing that it is an Edge bug).
2. Pressing keys trying to get screen shot: Goes into voice mode. You can't get into Settings to turn it off (Start | Settings doesn't work with touch).
3. Voice mode - cannot shut down laptop by swiping down.
4. So turned off using long press and got blue screen.
This is junk.
The only reason this is a problem is because MSFT has a near monopoly in the consumer PC space.
Accept the updates when you are not doing anything critical and you won't have any problems with it.
Sometimes I think the adjectives to describe some situations are too harsh.
That might be true, but in this case the issue appears to be exclusively software related. If they didn't force system upgrades, honestly, I probably wouldn't care. It may very well be a Dell issue, but Microsoft is large enough and powerful enough to enforce some standards on their partners.
That being said, as someone who repairs Windows for a living, I've seen a lot of major issues with Windows. They take a two steps forward, one step back approach to everything they do. QA has gone down the toilet of late, but most of the core product is actually better.
Either way, I'm not surprised the quality is going down.
might be related to this:
> I may be the only one with zero problems on Windows 10...
Try spending hours (if not days) trying to bring your computer back to life, going through every google result for a helpful string like "0x80070422".
Seriously, just try looking at the autocomplete for "Windows 10 update 0x".
I know it's insanely difficult to do what Microsoft does, and the fact that Windows even works at all on so many different computers is nothing short of a miracle. But after a few experiences with odd Windows errors on a machine that worked fine just a minute ago can make you use some strong adjectives.
I got to say, I don't install bullshit, I know which webpages I visit, I have an antivirus, good quality hardware and I have installed the just amount of software I need. It's been a few years now since the last format. I just try to keep it clean and ordered, like any other thing.
I got stuck with falling updates like 5 months . Every time that windows try to update, I lose like 2 hours. And only to see Windows failing to update and reverting it. And another issue is that Windows really hits hard my hard disk along like half hour, every time that I boots on Windows. I don't understand why does it. It's a shot experience, specially compar d against my Linux experience on the same computer, where everything just works out of the box, and I don't need to lost like half hour seeing how my hard drive is being smashed by the OS.
So this article really it's helpful for me.
What machine do you use?
Even the HDMI sound is working fine (on 17.XX was necessary to update the linux kernel, but on 18.04 works out of the box), and I can output sound at same time on the HDMI and the sound card (Windows can't do this!)
PD: And I have Kubuntu and Debian working without issues (and faster!) on other machines with other GPUs/CPUs from Nvidia and Intel.
However I will agree, I dual boot Windows 10 and Ubuntu anad I know I will have to suffer updates if I boot Windows. On the other hand I am not too happy with Ubuntu's updates right now...
PD: This kind of fix, remember me to the times of Windows 95/98 when a full reinstall of Windows every few months was a good practice to keep the computer working nice. I don't have to do this on a Windows 7/8 or on a GNU/Linux. Why I need to do to this on Windows 10 ?
My last Ubuntu distro upgrade caused the sound to stop working, a problem with graphics drivers and an issue with window management. I am no MS fan, but everyone can get caught up in update problems.
I've had a similar/same issue (although this is on Windows 7) with the Feb->Current monthly security rollups installing and rolling back ad nauseum. The reason I mention it is because dual-booting has been fingered as the cause in a few cases, whether or not that's grub or something else I'm not sure (no helpful error messages that I can find).
I'm personally about to drop the Windows partition completely, but if it's possible removing the dual-boot bit temporarily might help (although faffing around etc). Until the next time it happens! This happened a year or two back as well from memory.
While it normally works great, when it doesn't, it's very difficult to fix in most cases, as seen here.
> It forces them on you, sometimes in the most inopportune time.
Let users reboot when they want. I don't care if you show a bright red bar warning people to restart but goodness gracious don't reboot computers without positive consent!
Yes, there are more difficult problems like reducing the number of things that require a reboot to update (without sacrificing backward compatibility) but not rebooting the computer without consent is such an easy thing to do. Just be upfront and tell people to leave their computer connected to a power source and ask them to press a button when they're ready.
Start with notifications and offering to schedule an update. Don’t reboot automatically with an active user when the scheduled time rolls around. Display a prompt and allow the user options to schedule another reminder.
After a couple weeks (security updates only) add a “warning bar” along the top or side of the screen. Nothing drastic. Just visible enough to be a constant reminder to update. Eventually, replace the desktop background with a visible warning.
Is that not available on Home editions?
I managed to defer my update to 1709 by like... 5 months by hitting 'later' on the nag screen though.
Luckily forgot about the long hours spend on reinstalling and reinstalling Windows back then.
*Is there any form of compensation from MS for fixing computer after broken update ?
Productivity ? Go for Mac or Linux
Like always, piracy is an access problem. And I need to be able to access my computer's functions without MS locking me out because I decided to overclock my thermal paste.
1) Conflict with a driver for an extremely specialized printer
2) A weird update about 4 years ago for W7 which seemed to forget to close the 'Windows is updating' screen. ctrl-al-del resumed normal service!
I believe some of the clunkier updates for Windows 10 (like the forced reboot) are actually part of a patch to improve the silent update feature! Install afresh from a USB as sddfd suggested and you wont have to suffer that patch.
https://i.imgur.com/MwWenDA.png
He still hasn't been able to upgrade. I live hundreds of miles away and can't attempt to help him troubleshoot it in person.
On the other hand the desktop which always worked flawlessly now cannot even get past the initial installation boot screen from a freshly made v1803 DVD/USB (within 5sec of booting) likewise the update from inside Windows itself fails. Waiting to see if MS address this issue before I waste any more time trying to fix it myself.
By using the password reveal button, I found out that windows was not letting me enter any digits. I tried both the numpad and the number row.
All I could enter were spaces until I rebooted.
2018 is sad, with no light on the visible horizon.
Also, if you are a developer LTSB edition is a non starter. You can't install Visual Studio 2017 on it :).
I've tried Visual Studio 2017 Community Edition on Windows 10 LTSB a few months ago and it never worked. Good to hear it worked for you.
[1]: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/productinfo/vs...