Over 95 percent of IT “engineers” in India are incapable of basic programming
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Also, when the word “IT” does not exactly sound like top engineering talent.
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We get excellent results overall from our teams in India, but we also pay quite a bit over the bottom of the market there...
This, you nailed it and honestly what else matters. 100% of "offshore labor" and "india labor" and whatever is about exploiting people for personal gain. It's short-sighted selfish greedy Americans mostly, and they honestly believe that brown people living in other countries exist to be their slave labor. These same people are the ones who are constantly trying to abuse the "intern" program.
If you hire someone in India for $20/hr to do a job you damn well know is worth $100/hr then you're a ....ing ....ole. Every time I see job postings looking to exploit third world labor markets, I hope those underpaid developers burn the employer's entire operation to the ground.
It's not enough to bear witness to evil. We should be taking action to stop it.
The companies trying to hire/exploit developers for 8-10 Lakh are going to have a way worse experience than those trying to hire developers for 35 or 50 Lakh (and they deserve the experience, IMO).
In other words, you think it's okay to exploit people?
If you're writing software for a global corporation on a global marketplace (The internet), why would it be acceptable to be paid based on regional politics, which is what local economies are reflective of.? Especially considering the politics of third world nations is manipulated and controlled by the governments of first world nations for profitable gains.
No, the only acceptable answer is to pay all developers equally regardless of region, based only on their capability, and perhaps their investment of time and effort into their own improvement.
The Pre-Internet Planet Earth and all the little tricks that our ancestors injected to make it easier to take advantage of less fortunate people needs to end. Their guilt isn't yours until you decide to ignore your morality so you can make a few easier bucks. You cannot be a willing and informed participant in this systemic evil and pretend that it's anything but.
Unless you take the view that all profitable employers exploit their employees (a view that I understand but do not share nor agree with), I don't believe that we're unfairly nor inappropriately exploiting our talent in any of our locations.
We seek to make a profit above the cost of our inputs (including risk premium) and I'm not ashamed of what we pay our employees in any of our markets anywhere in the world. If you choose to pay your employees using a different system, I support your right to do so.
I guess I'm challenging you to justify this policy without naming greed as your justification. You are exploiting people for what amounts to slave labor. You're saying that because someone has the unfortunate luck of being born in a third world country that they deserve a smaller salary than you. Admitting that you are not ashamed of yourself for exploiting poor people for cheap labor I mean.. what else is there to say I guess.
I don't believe that it's exploitive to make an offer of salary that an employee is overjoyed to accept. If you believe that's exploitive, you should run your company differently or work for a company that doesn't do that.
> I don't believe that it's exploitive
But it is. You aren't paying them based on their capabilities or merit, you're paying them based on what region of the world they were born into, which is completely out of their control. The message your "offer" sends is this, you aren't worth a real developer's salary, because you were born in India. So work for peanuts for me, your privileged first-world master, until you've earned enough to move out of the nation you were born in, and then maybe you can earn a salary equal to your peers.
That is exactly what you're doing, and that is exploitative. I know it's exploitative because it is exactly what American plantation owners did in the slave-owning south 250 years ago. "Work for me for some length of time and you can earn your freedom". It's the same scam. "But these developers are being paid" uh huh, they get $5-$20/hr for what I get $100/hr for. It is dishonest to call that fair.
If you don't believe in equal pay for equal merit then stand behind your opinion, but don't pretend that you're doing these poverty stricken people some kind of favor by paying them fast-food salaries to develop your million dollar applications. If someone spends their life becoming an expert developer they deserve to make expert-developer salaries regardless of what region of the world they call home.
The economic "tool" of outsourcing has always been about exploiting poverty and literally everyone actually knows that.
1. The scare quotes around "Engineers" seems inappropriate.
2. "In India" is pretty broad; did they go out and test every self-proclaimed engineer in India?
3. "Candidate is not able to write compilable code" sounds questionable; how were they assessed? Were they allowed to use an IDE? Were they allowed to fix compiler errors and were unable, or did they instantly fail if their code didn't compile on the first try?
4. I think the assumption that people who self-select to apply for Aspiring Minds represent a fair slice of Indian Engineers seems weak at best.
I think we shouldn't upvote these sites so they are not rewarded them with advertising exposures. I would imagine trending HN stories drive good traffic to the linked sites.
>Jews in US Congress Urge Israel to Accept UN “Deal” to Deport African Invaders to White Countries
I don't think this would qualify as a creditable new source for IT information.
>Over 36,000 engineering students from IT related branches of over 500 colleges
Well they're students. In my experience you build most of your chops "on the street." I would hope they wouldn't include freshmen or sophomores who haven't even really dug into the major curriculum (assuming their colleges work the same way as our accredited ones).
The stats show that most programs had syntax errors. I don't think it's fair to ask someone to write strictly correct Java/C#/C++ using pen and paper.