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For those interested, Sam Harris’ podcast (Waking Up with Sam Harris) has an episode with a Geoffrey West which is superb - one of the best episodes on that podcast. Also, Geoffrey West has a great TED Talk.

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Episode #86 for those interested

Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31P7Ty9QIFI

Audio: https://samharris.org/podcasts/from-cells-to-cities/

iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/waking-up-with-sam-harri...

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Also twice (so far) on Long Now, both excellent:

http://longnow.org/seminars/02011/jul/25/why-cities-keep-gro...

http://longnow.org/seminars/02017/may/23/universal-laws-grow...

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