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> noise cancelling headphones

They are very ineffective against voices! Passive insulating headphones are much better.

My Plantronics Backbeat Pro are pretty good at both. I can block all external noise with the volume turned down so low some people can't even hear the music when they put them on.

afaik qc35 does both

Assuming "qc35" == "Bose QuietComfort 35", it also eavesdrops on the metadata of everything you listen to and sends it to Bose (and segment.io).

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Bose-headphones-have-bee...

Thanks for the link. This sort of thing is becoming a total pain; it seems that there's almost no gadget I might use that's not reporting my habits to someone.

After the scandal, they added an opt-out setting (but on the privacy policy page, where the nominal user will not think to look for it).

Tried those. Actually made the voices stand out more since everything else was more quiet :-(

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