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Baby is born in China four years after parents died in car crash

theguardian.com

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From the photo [1] of the grandparents, they appear to be in their early fifties, so they are not elderly, frail or incapable of raising this baby. In Chinese culture, grandparents often take care of the children until the teenage years while the parents are working long hours, so there will be no Western-style stigma of having grandparents care for the child. I think it's a caring decision that they made to have the baby instead of destroying the embryo.

[1] http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2141048/baby-...

This will destroy the kid's future life. Very selfish of grandparents imo.

On the other hand, it will create the kid's life. The opposite of destroying it.

An embryo that was not meant to exist after the parent's death, the life that most likely is ought to live in a pathology of his grandparent's needs. The frozen embryo belonged to parents. There should be no other person/relative able to decide what to do with it.

If someone intentionally creates an organism, then certainly they meant for it to exist. Where did the meaning for your life get handed down from, and how is it any different?

As much as the grandparent's behavior might be selfish, there's no such thing as "not meant to exist". If the car crash happened right after the birth, would it be more "meant to exist"? By whom, the now-dead parents? Why does it matter?

Actually, to the contrary, the parents originally meant this life to exist. Somebody then explicitly still meant this life to exist even despite of the difficulties of the original parents being dead.

Exactly - THE PARENTS. Look at this bit: "they will tell him his parents are overseas" - they will mentally destroy this kid.

The embryo was his parents, not grandparents. There was no actual will granting them control over that. They just decided to claim it anyway.

Literally the next paragraph: “We will tell him when he’s older.”

The overseas lie is just for when he’s young. As soon as he’s old enough to understand, the grandparents will tell him.

And this makes it right? What right do they have to create this situation? Care to explain?

Do you also believe infertile couples should be barred from fertility treatments? Or that disabled people, poor people, or single people have no right to reproduce?

These grandparents were grieving, but that doesn’t mean they won’t be fit to raise their grandchild.

In the end, the court decided these grandparents DID have the right to a grandchild. Your opinion or mine doesn’t matter.

Apples to oranges. I never said or tried to imply that - it is your words.

I clearly implied that the issue here is, that grandparents took the embryo, hired a woman to give birth to it with no will or blessing from their kids. The embryo was not theirs to decide and people that could make this decision were dead.

if the embryo belonged to parents are you sure the parents didn't leave it to the grandparents in a will or something. I mean as long as we are talking about embryos as property and all that.

I am sure that this would be included in the article.

I guess, although I suppose the difference in our perspectives reveals our relative levels of belief in the competence and completeness of journalism.

Who's to say it's not meant to exist? It exists. The grandparents are raising the kid. The couple that died wanted a kid. The sequence of events is not how it should have been. But it happened.

Aside from pregnancy and breastfeeding, I don't think there is anything about parenting that biological grandparents cannot do.

As a person that had a lot to do with pathological families, I think you are wrong. You are right only if we assume his grandparents are superb human beings. But they literally say "This boy is destined to be sad on his arrival into the world" which indicates they are pretty much selfish. I think a lot of people commenting here try to look at this through western standards. China is different, people are different and their reasoning is different. This is not a movie scenario, this is life

I'm not sure I see how that means they're selfish.

This was not born child. It was a frozen embryo that did not belong to them. Grandparents fought for it for selfish reasons of having a grandson while knowing, that the child will be lonely and possibly dysfunctional.

Where did they say "dysfunctional"?

Where did the parent claim the article was saying "dysfunctional"?

The parents statement assumed, that 1) child will more likely to be dysfunctional 2) grannies knew about it Otherwise it does not make sense. I referred to the statement's inability to back either of these assumptions.

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