Parents who install monitoring systems are prioritizing their own short-term well-being and peace of mind at the expense of their child's future. They're eating their marshmallow right away.
"My house, my rules" arguments are absurd when it comes to raising kids, and totally disregards the end goal of raising independent individuals.
Not quite the same thing, but related: When I was growing up, my parents would make me do all of my homework on their schedule and under their supervision. They reasoned that I wouldn't do it otherwise. That ended up being a self-fulfilling prophecy and now I struggle with time management issues and procrastination.
I also struggle with time management and focus and always have. If my parents hadn't put a lot of energy into my doing my homework, I wouldn't have made it past elementary school. It was a mess really, and I'm thankful that I have a lot more resources to look up how to deal with such a thing than my parents, and I hope I can navigate my children through school with less pain.
The consequences of an abnormal sexual development or an unhealthy attitude towards females due to stumbling across hardcore porn and becoming addicted to it at a young age?
The consequences of mistaking someone on the internet as a friend and giving them your full address and name so they could bring you ice cream?
There are things on the internet that a young mind is not sufficiently developed to handle, and the consequences of exposure can last a lifetime. Hell, there are things on the internet that most adult minds are not capable of handling. Some things cannot be 'unseen'.
By installing a monitoring and filtering system and informing my child of this and developing in him an idea of what is acceptable and appropriate and what is not and protecting him from potentially life-altering harm.
I think OP's point though is at what cost?
It's a given that protecting kids from harm is good, but to be convincing in your case I want to see that you can enumerate the downsides and state why they're good tradeoffs.
Too often do I see courses of action being advocated for because they're short term "obviously" right.
It seems to me, for my particular situation and this particular child, that this is the best course of action.
Obviously it may not be the best course for every situation or every child.
Hopefully each parent can make their own decisions based upon their knowledge and values. Nobody can say 'all kids won't be harmed if they watch porn' or 'every kid who watches porn will have developmental issues'. That's what makes a parent. You apply your best judgement to the situation and try to effect the best outcome.
Do you have evidence/sources to back this claim?
To someone without a sex drive, porn is yucky and boring
Example of porn linked to abnormal sexual development
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5039517/
Example of unhealthy attitudes towards females
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/38041887_Pornograph...
[1a] https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/
[1b] https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/studies-reported-relationshi...
[1c] https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/studies-linking-porn-use
[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/
[EDIT] Formatting is hard
Your second link is about correlation between consumption of pornography depicting violence against women, and expressing views supporting violence against women. It does not say anything about causation. It's not very surprising that men who support violence against women would consume pornography depicting exactly that.
The two links you provided say absolutely nothing about porn exposure as a teenager. Even if there was a detrimental effect (which the 2 studies don't say), it doesn't mean that monitoring and filtering is an efficient solution, especially at the expense of a healthy relationship with your kid where they trust you enough to have a discussion about something that shocked them.
That's a valid argument for the second paper, and unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to address it because most papers I found are behind a paywall and I can't read them.
Regardless, it's implied that poor sexual health and attitudes supporting women violence are both detrimental effects. I also wasn't making the argument that monitoring and filtering was the solution, I was providing citations on a claim because they were requested. If you didn't like those citations, it's why I also posted [1b] and [1c], which are 24 and 25 research papers about porn being linked to poor sexual health, and porn being linked to objectifying feelings towards women, respectively.
If you want to know my opinion on the subject, it's that teen monitoring apps don't work, and drive a wedge between teens and parents. But I also think there are real dangers on the internet that are not obvious to children discovering it, and having a very serious conversation with your kids is a very important thing to do.
I've read many studies, of which I didn't catalog, but the above link should get you started.
It's silly to think that even an eight year old is as naive as you're describing - you should just tell your child what he shouldn't do, and let him go on those guidelines.
If, however, they were told, "It's not a good idea to do X, because Y," they'd be much more likely to think twice about it.
tl;dr: 10 year old girl talks to a man on a game, tells him where she lives, leaves a note to her parents saying she went to a friend's house. He picks her up, takes her to a motel and rapes her.
http://www.theledger.com/news/20180329/polk-county-sheriffs-...
I bet those parents wish they had been paying more attention to what she was doing online.
Not every 10 year old is that naive and not every 10 year old would do something like that. But some 10 year olds are, and someone who does not know the child is not qualified to discern the child's level of naivete. As a parent, I feel I am qualified to discern this and apply the appropriate safeguards to the child's environment to mitigate the dangers until the child is capable of handling the risks himself.
Monitoring and discussion are not mutually exclusive.
Ideally, you protect your child from things that will damage them permanently, but let them enough freedom to experiment and get hurt, so they can have a true learning experience.
For example, I don't think a 10 year old will develop an unhealthy attitude towards females just because of watching porn. I would guess you can talk about gender issues and even porn with a 10 year old to offset the effect of it.
Essentially, if you have good communication with your child and keep him or her busy with healthy activities, he or she won't have much reason to do stupid stuff on the Internet. So your made up scenarios kind of predicate subpar parenting to begin with.
Exactly what I'm trying to do by allowing most things that may be considered inappropriate and only blocking the worst.
> For example, I don't think a 10 year old will develop an unhealthy attitude towards females just because of watching porn. I would guess you can talk about gender issues and even porn with a 10 year old to offset the effect of it.
There are many studies that say otherwise. Also not every 10 year old is the same. There are certainly some that could watch porn without being affected, and others that should not. That's also my job as a parent -- to assess the childs capability to deal with something and tailor their environment to best match that, while addressing any deficiencies.
> Essentially, if you have good communication with your child and keep him or her busy with healthy activities, he or she won't have much reason to do stupid stuff on the Internet. So your made up scenarios kind of predicate subpar parenting to begin with.
In the nature vs nurture field, there is far more nature than I ever thought. He has not been significantly involved with his biological father for the majority(95%+) of his life, yet I see many of his father's behaviors in him.
Childrens' behavior is a product of their environment, their parenting, as well as their genes. I can't say whether I'm a good parent or subpar, but I feel like I'm doing a much better job than many others that I see. Sure, I'm not perfect, but none of us are. The child I'm dealing with today is a result of my parenting, his mother's parenting, his parent's genes, and the environment he grew up in.
So, no serious disagreements. Although I think your point about nurture vs. nature kind of contradicts your own stance.
No. That is not what those laws are. Mostly because you can "home school" a kid in the U.S. as a way around the mandatory schooling (there's just mandatory testing...which is what you want, a way to test out of the system)
I do want to point out that my father never filtered my internet. He just let me know that any site I visited was being tracked and that I should take that into consideration when being online. I maintained complete autonomy online and my parents did not lie or obscure what they were doing. I would say that this prepared me well for what would become 'social media' over a decade later.
This parental tracking actually became a game of cat and mouse and I learned more about computers because of this. I was intrigued about how things could be monitored, how the OS and file systems worked. I ended up going to a vocational school for computer networking.
What I hear from parent around me come straight out of a dystopian novel. 24/7 GPS tracking, Webcam monitoring at random moments of the day, silent alarms when the child visits certain websites, silent alarms when the child enter certain stores and locations, etc.
That's 16-18 years old teens I'm talking about. By that time, the child should be well on its way to becoming an adult. They should be teaching their kids about freedom, the cost of mistakes and the weight of their actions.
Instead, we have kids growing up a bubble. Once they reach legal age, they rip them out of that bubble and throw them into a strange world they learned nothing about.
No wonder you then end up with people that are not very mature or have issues.
You do wonder: if the kid was 12 or 14 and bought himself a cheap smartphone from his own money to get away from the parental monitoring apps, would the "libertarian aligned father" be OK with that?
I think that if you have a kid who puts that much value on a device, saves up and buys said device, than that kid is already on the road to responsible behavior.