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Comment by GCU-Empiricist | Hacker News Reader

Unfortunate if so, nothing will change until someone organizes class actions, and then the victims get at best enough to buy a lunch, a cheap lunch.

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You can't organize a class action, the companies had a shrink wrap agreement to mandatory arbitration.

Welcome to 21st century America.

Aren't you underestimating the ability of Americans to litigate, especially about whether they can litigate? I'm sue you are.

>Welcome to 21st century America.

Which is still more plaintiff-friendly than any jurisdiction in Europe.

Unless the FTC decides to pursue the matter. The FTC can obtain relief for all US consumers and is not bound by the arbitration agreement.

does that still apply? The stickers aren't a misunderstanding, they're illegal. You can't fine print away crimes.

The courts have disagreed amongst themselves regarding the legality of shrink wrap agreements.

Those are basically unenforceable. You file a lawsuit, big co asks to squash to arbitration, judge says wtf no, this is potentially a class act.. continue.

Unfortunately the Supreme Court disagrees with you

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/supreme-court-backs-...

Not exactly, since individuals could still file small claims suits to get their money back if they don't mind the prospect of giving up the product at issue. I have successfully done this myself under similar circumstances.

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