Ask HN: Will you ever eat meat that is grown in lab?
What are all the bad events that can come along with any progress in this direction?
Its like suddenly some one comes and calls some thing meat n then we order 2 of those.
Vegetarian is a reasonable alternate if we don't want to slaughter meat. Meat like tasting vegetarian alternate is also reasonable. But lab grown meat is the most unnatural thing. How does eating a thing which is 99% unnatural constitute as eating food. Its just eating a thing.
There is a crowd which wants to avoid as much artificial things in food and eat natural food and there is a crowd which wants to eat 100% artificial thing like lab grown meat.
I wonder which crowd will win in the end.
I would argue that there is nothing natural about that either. The modern farm animal wouldn't survive in the wild. They are bred to grow at insane rates, are fed hormones, and get too heavy to be mobile. Not to mention, what impact this has on the nutritional content and chemical content of our meats, and what impact they are having on us.
If you are concerned about eating naturally, I think you should start allocating time in your day to hunting for wild food. Nothing about the human diet is "natural" anymore.
How can a lab grown meat and a animal that naturally grow be one and the same?
Genuine question, are you talking about certain lab grown meat products vs others? Look at this excerpt from a wired article [1]: At Finless Foods, they take a bit of fish meat and filter it for a particular kind of cell, not so much stem cells but stem-like cells, what they’re calling progenitor cells. “We're looking for cells that have the ability to differentiate into different lineages,” says Selden. “So we're looking for cells that are stem enough.”
The idea is to trick these cells into thinking they’re still in their owner. So by feeding them nutrients like salts and sugars, Finless can get the cells to turn into muscles or fat or connective tissue. Think of it like sourdough yeast: Once you’ve got a starter strain, you can keep making a distinctive bread. “Once each of these companies has a cell line going,” says Selden, “they never have to go back to the initial animal.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultured_meat
This is what wikipedia says.
They are all bad for health and simply used to extend the life time of a product beyond its natural lifetime so that the seller does not loose the money and with no other healthy intent.
https://www.glutenfreeschool.com/2014/06/10/what-is-xanthan-...
15 grams or not. Why eat it when there can be better choices.
Animals don't naturally graze, they are fed all the food they need. They don't naturally die. They are killed. They aren't naturally conceived, they are inseminated.
Where does the "natural" absolutism end?
It is artificial because it's made by humans. If it gives the same product with a significantly reduced negative impact on the environment then I'm all for it (although I would agree that people should actually try and eat less meat too). What's your objection to the process being artificial?
I think there are things beyond just craving, Y isn't it about eating the most healthy food?
If we care so much about "an animal being killed" then what to do to tigers and lions and other carnivores.
I think a lion eating a deer feels more natural than a man eating a lab grown thing.
Why this much push into loosing our nature? Apart from capitalism could there be any other reason?
I don't know how the health effects would change though.
It is odd how one says Yes without a doubt to something that one eats, but also is aware of being unaware of its health effects.
It is very scary though...
Don't you think we should eat something that is guaranteed to bring good health to us...
If we can easily believe that eating lab grown meat and real living natural food is same then why don't we believe fake news as real? They also sound real, they also have words, they also have websites they also appear to have likes...
This effort to make the boundary between nature and artificial disappear isn't it like making ourselves disappear, are we humans not natural beings?
Regarding your thoughts on whether it's a living thing, is purely philosophical. It sounds to me like you haven't actually seen what goes into these artificial meats. They extract cells from animals and feed them the nutrients they need (like amino acids) to cause the cells to divide and grow like they would in the animal's body.
So whether a muscle grew with a cow over years, or it grew in a lab, does that really matter?
Is an organ that's grown on a pig any less an organ than one grown in a human?
Because meat isn't true or untrue, it provides things your bodies need, things it doesn't need, or things that are harmful to it.
I'll be honest, I'm not totally on board, but I don't see any reason we shouldn't grow meat in a lab, and probably many benefits.
Ideally, they'd be sterilized between batches, in a way that left no residue on the product. In practice, though, I wonder if they won't need to use antibiotics (or something like them) in order to ensure a safe product.
The advantage will be that all those antibiotics don't run off into the soil... except for the plant's wastewater. Still, it ought to be more localized than the current practice.
So I'm suspicious of "it's just the same". Yeah, it is, except for the traces of stuff where it's not. Those traces may not matter to most people. (Then again, they may - prions, anyone?) But to at least some people, the small differences really matter, not because of their taste buds or their feelings about their food, but because they legitimately react strongly to some things.
But you, why are you so eager to discredit someone whose viewpoint (I assume) differs from your own? Why are you so eager to ascribe bad faith or ulterior motives to someone?
Is there any other lab grown thing that we have eaten?
And I'm not trying to discredit someone with different opinions. I'm trying to understand that person on a deeper level than they've so far given.
I don't each much meat anyway, but the meat that I do eat is grass fed & finished and raised semi-locally. I prefer the path closer to nature than to the lab.
It's not about the meat, it's about how poor judgement peope have in terms of sustainability.
Meat is meat. And meat is ok.
Whats not okay is mass production of it, or any other kind.
Instead of growing anything in a lab, think about what you consume. This goes for everything. I would much rather eat a chicken that is produced locally than one I have no idea what went through.
This goes for everything I eat. Even though I am not even close to being fanatic.
Its okay to consume but please do it respectfully and reflect upon it.
Lab grown food is simply to futuristic for me
I have the money, and when I consume things, I'd rather they be of good quality (i.e. certain organic foods that are locally produced). Personally I don't mind paying double, triple or even quadruple the price on something if I know it is of better quality and/or healthier.
Then again, I also don't eat meat every single day, while many people do. Probably great for the masses, but not for me.
Also, wouldn't lab grown meat be more precise, like with normal chickens you have no idea what exactly what they ate, or how they mutated. But with lab grown meat it would be the same every time.
Raising an animal is giving it natural food and let its different organs do its work and let it grow into full animal by using natural processes that has been happening for ever.
Lab grown meat is using artificial process to force some flesh to grow which we recently assume have figured out n force ourselves to believe its authentic, This is something that we have found in last few years.
Why would anyone believe a noob tech when there is a grandiose nature in the picture.
>> like with normal chickens you have no idea what exactly what they ate, or how they mutated.
like with lab grown chicken you have no idea what chemical process got misunderstood/ abused, what particular pound of meat did not go through all the process, and how the human error got over looked, and what decaying factor is involved in this...
How come in the same species one crowd can be thinking organic/ natural/ home grown food and other crowd can be thinking lab grown meat...
On the one hand, I'm not aware of any research that says eating organic foods is more healthy. Also I think it's people reacting to new things, like some people hear lab grown meat and are grossed out, others are excited about a more efficient way of farming. New technology is always divisive it seems.
Are you as skeptical against all "noob tech" or just this one? Or just "artificial processes" in certain areas like food, whatever you count as that (why not farming or gardening too)?
By independent, I mean not just independent of the grower, but perhaps also of the FDA.
Does it mean 100 years of data. Shouldn't we see 100 years of data before we decide on whether something is safe to consume. I am sure we have 100+ years of data that consuming naturally grown chicken meat is healthy.
Would those who caused this by switching to lab grown meat feel bad about it?
And if they go extinct then is there any net benefit in we stopping to eat them?
People keep chickens as pets.
Also eggs.