Tesla owner recreates fatal Autopilot crash, nearly crashes as well
cnet.com
cnet.com
In this case someone reproduced the bug, the blinking lights are a timed warning not related to what is on the road.
If you have a question about this kind of thing you can always get an answer by emailing hn@ycombinator.com, as the site guidelines ask: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
It's less about "Telsa fans" and more about "HN fans" who prefer the site to be focused on discussions about new, interesting things rather than repetitive outrage-inducing things.
None of this is to say the topic isn't important, but a topic's importance is separate to how much value there is in discussing it repeatedly here, particularly when it stirs such heated emotions in some people.
The video was very clear and it showed a real problem, the system followed the wrong line on the roads and the comments were answering explaing what they thing it happened, what the capabilities and limitation of Tesla radar are( I learned that Tesla has a radar) and of course there were the skeptic comments that I think are the cause of those dislikes, I don't think is good for the community to disaprove of well thought skeptic comments, some of the readers here studied AI in universities and worked with AI and know about it's limitations and they can express the skepticism that the self driving hardware and software is not ready yet.
The link you posted contains no new information.
This specific story might have been new, but the broader topic of the safety and functionality of assisted and autonomous driving systems has been extensively discussed over multiple articles in the past couple of weeks, and it's inevitable that members of the community will start to tire of any topic that has had extensive coverage for a sustained period of time.
Edit: 15 minutes later , all Tesla posts are gone from the first page
http://archive.is/4uQSR (snapshot of /best)
And then yesterday, the Youtube video got 205 upvotes with 109 comments, which is pretty good exposure on the same topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16732436
Yesterday, there was also this side story with NTSB that got 90 upvotes and 98 comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16730286
So Tesla stories today might be getting flagged because users feel they are incremental updates.
It is just a felling/instinct I have and I don't want us both spend our energy on trying to figure it out, if the community votes in this way then we can't do anything about it, maybe having a page that pulls this kind of topics easy accessible would be interesting,.
It (currently) follows road markings, and/or the car in front. That's it, and that's why you don't leave it unattended - spoken as a Model X owner.
As a Brit, I'm astounded at the US road design. You'd never see something like that over here, and I've never seen motorway (freeway) lane markers so worn away.
Autopilot did what it is designed to do, which in this case was the wrong thing. The driver was not paying attention, which is easy to do when you have no physical buttons in the car and often operate a touchscreen. The poor state of the road also contributed, both with the lack of steel barrier and the worn-out markings.
Will road markings be kept in better condition for the sake of self-driving cars, I wonder?
Would LIDAR have helped, or would the presented surface area of the concrete block be too small to act upon?
Following the line is too basic for a self driving car, I remember some students having small toys programmed to drive toy roads by following the lines, and that was more then 10 years ago.
Tesla should have detailed maps of this big roads, so maybe when the maps and what the car detects do not match it should be less confident, the collision detection should be extra sensitive, the driver should be alarmed, the car should slow down, if they have problems on this big roads then they need a new kind of hardware and software to navigate any medium road.
Their imminent software update adds exactly that. They took their navigation data in house because the atuff they used before wasn't detailed enough.
from the beheading accident discussion couple years ago i remember that Tesla had radar in front. That incident back then happened supposedly because the radar was observing only low-height sector along the road surface. The concrete divider seems to be exactly the thing that the radar would see. LIDAR as well as stereo of course would see that divider easily. It seems at this point though that Tesla's autopilot is only something like single camera image recognition, probably still is or like a MobilEye.
It absolutely is. Even the AP 2.0/2.5 hardware only uses one camera at the moment.
Don't self-driving cars already navigate these situations successfully? I would guess that Google/Waymo/GM had been testing on the stretch of interstate where the Mountain View Tesla fatality occurred.
> LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Volvo’s North American CEO, Lex Kerssemakers, lost his cool as the automaker’s semi-autonomous prototype sporadically refused to drive itself during a press event at the Los Angeles Auto Show.
> “It can’t find the lane markings!” Kerssemakers griped to Mayor Eric Garcetti, who was at the wheel. “You need to paint the bloody roads here!”
> Shoddy infrastructure has become a roadblock to the development of self-driving cars, vexing engineers and adding time and cost. Poor markings and uneven signage on the 3 million miles of paved roads in the United States are forcing automakers to develop more sophisticated sensors and maps to compensate, industry executives say.
> Tesla CEO Elon Musk recently called the mundane issue of faded lane markings “crazy,” complaining they confused his semi-autonomous cars.
> An estimated 65 percent of U.S. roads are in poor condition, according to the U.S. Department of Transportation, with the transportation infrastructure system rated 12th in the World Economic Forum’s 2014-2015 global competitiveness report.
> Tesla, Volvo, Mercedes, Audi (VOWG_p.DE) and others are fielding vehicles that can drive on highways, change lanes and park without human help. But they are easily flummoxed by faded lane markers, damaged or noncompliant signs or lights, and the many quirks of a roadway infrastructure managed by thousands of state and local bureaucracies.
> In other developed countries, greater standardization of road signs and markings makes it easier for robot cars to navigate. In the U.S., however, traffic lights can be aligned vertically, horizontally or “dog-house” style in two columns. Pavement markings use paint with different degrees of reflectivity - or don’t exist at all.
You ask "Will road markings be kept in better condition for the sake of self-driving cars, I wonder?"
No, no they won't. Rather, why aren't they already being kept in better condition for the sake of public safety?
The onus will be on the car manufacturer, who in turn will need to use more expensive sensors, so the cost will be end up with the car owner. Because in the US, we've been brainw^Wtaught that government is worthless, and powerless against The Free Market.
So, couple of hours ago another video surfaced on /r/teslamotors, filmed at original location of Model X crash, with very detailed slow-motion.
And autopilot acts (presumably) the same way as on Model X, trying to drive the car into solid obstacle.
Video: https://youtu.be/VVJSjeHDvfY Thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/899i1w/my_mode...