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There has never been a proven case of either as far as I know, only theories and "insiders" claiming these things.

The german guy who was caught was saying a lot of these things which obviously weren't true, like claiming that a lot of other players in top teams were cheating on LAN, but in hindsight that hardly seems believable.

A driver cheat which would auto-inject code on insertion would as far as I know require a 0-day exploit on Windows, and I have a hard time believing one of the cheat devs was sitting on one of those.

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> The german guy who was caught was saying a lot of these things which obviously weren't true, like claiming that a lot of other players in top teams were cheating on LAN, but in hindsight that hardly seems believable.

I mean, there were 3 pro players banned in like a week. I doubt this was coincidence [1].

> A driver cheat which would auto-inject code on insertion would as far as I know require a 0-day exploit on Windows, and I have a hard time believing one of the cheat makers was sitting on one of those

It's not completely out of the question. Check out this DEF CON hack which illustrates something similar[2].

[1] https://www.pcgamer.com/csgo-competitive-scene-embroiled-in-...

[2] https://theoutline.com/post/2032/how-to-hack-a-mouse-to-win-...

About [2], yeah, that's the way it could happen without a 0-day, but it really does seem very, very impractical, risky and unlikely.

Out of sf, KQLY and Emilio, it does seem likely that both sf and Emilio would cheat online in order to qualify, but KQLY whose team almost always passed online qualifiers? I have no idea.

If I recall correctly, Emilio was banned months prior to the others though, and he hardly played any major LANs. sf and KQLY were using the same cheat, but there's nothing which makes it seem like it happened on LANs.

Either way, it's impossible to say what happened years ago, but if it did happen, I doubt it kept happening.

> A driver cheat which would auto-inject code on insertion would as far as I know require a 0-day exploit on Windows, and I have a hard time believing one of the cheat devs was sitting on one of those.

Nowadays there's definitely a market for it. eSports is turning in to a multi-billion dollar industry.

0day's can be cheap enough for the type of people willing to risk five figures on CSGO betting, etc.

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