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Little known iTunes 10 benefit

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Gee, now I feel like an idiot for buying a portable media player that just mounts as a USB drive.

Don't worry, you still can't copy music from a device back into iTunes. I mean, obviously the bits representing the music flow from the iDevice into the computer, but the computer doesn't belong to you anymore, so you don't get access to them. Silly user.

USB devices fail in that they rely on the user to make his own decisions about whether or not to copy his friend's music collection. Apple devices let some music execs representing bands I've never heard of make them for you instead.

<responding to troll> though of course you can copy music off an ipod by copying the mp3 files off it like any other mounted disk, except that they are in a folder with its hidden attribute set.

And they're renamed with obscure filenames, and you can't do this with iPods touch or iPhones.

FUD... You can.

You don't have to use iTunes, or even an Apple app, to get things on and off an iDevice. For example: http://ecamm.com/mac/phoneview/

Blurb:

Multimedia Is No Longer Trapped on your iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch

Free your Photos and Movies -- Download camera photos and movies in just a few clicks. You can even use PhoneView to export the iPhone's synced Photo Library if you've lost the originals.

Music Made Easy -- Play any iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch music library through your Mac's speakers. Grab music, videos and podcasts from your device with one click.

However, a simple search can pick up the metadata and find the bands you want. Still not as eay as MTP.

You'll need a different hack to put music or video files from a random computer onto your device too. That's assuming it's even possible, they seem to be in an arms race each new devices having your data further encrypted in some way.

senuti (os x only)

I've got around this in the past by importing the bizarrely named files into iTunes and then telling it to automatically organise my library for me. It then uses the metadata in the mp3s to rename the files back to how they should be. Not sure if it still does that these days.

USB mass storage players also fail nicely at being usable for most normal people. Plug it in, get an Explorer window, now what? Open another Explorer window -- reposition windows so you can see both. Navigate to your music collection. Find the first thing you want to copy -- hopefully your music folder is well organized by filename. Copy (don't move!) files. Make sure there are no incompatible filenames. FAT32 isn't very forgiving about this. When you're done make sure you safely unmount the volume by right clicking on the green arrow in your system tray (the thing by the clock). If you have multiple green arrows just try right clicking on them all until you find the right one. Now enjoy your music and start preparing to repeat the process tomorrow when you want to add a song.

iTunes used to handle USB mass storage players just like it handles iPods. I think they killed that feature in iTunes 9.

I've been using iTunes since version 3, and I don't think I've ever seen it treat a mass-storage player like an iPod. There was, however, until perhaps very recently, vestigial support for a handful of very dated mass-storage players, a strangely-untouched holdover from SoundJam MP. I never did see what would happen when one of those was plugged in.

With a mass storage player:

At least you have the option, and the device doesn't go out of its way to make life difficult for you and any software that tries to access it.

People love to think that users are completely clueless, but it's not the case. The general user has absolutely no problem using a USB drive. Sure, it might not the most usable option but it's not as arduous as you describe.

And organised music folders? Either it matters, and you play music directly with Winamp (or similar), or it doesn't matter at all and you use a jukebox program that works with the tags. You can also just play music straight off the drive if you want - fairly common in my experience.

No offense but most "average users" I encounter have a terrible time with USB drives.

Most MediaPlayers that are not Itunes (like WinAmp for windows) will mange the devices for you, without the - disabled by design feature

I guess you've explained why usb thumb drives have failed to take the market.

There is nothing intrinsic about USB mass storage in that experience.You can make an iTunes like experience based on USB mass storage drivers, Apple has chosen not to for other reasons.

Frankly, I have one that mounts as a USB drive and one that is an iPod, and I much prefer the iPod. Real sync capabilities make all the difference to me, and WMP sync is annoying, buggy, and slow.

Is it just me, or did this used to work before? I thought you could always play the music off someone else's iPod without being able to copy it.

It worked before, the only change is that now you don't have to set the iPod to Manual Sync. It's not a huge deal but it is much more convenient because after enabling manual sync on one computer the iPod would default to manual sync on all computers and you would have to individually reset it to sync music, movies, tv shows, podcasts, and pictures. It can get to be a pain, especially if it's somthing your doing every day.

iPod yes, iPhone no. At least, not in the Windows version of iTunes. I used to do this with my iPod at work, and was pretty disappointed that I couldn't continue to do so with my iPhone. I'm glad to see the option to play is back, although I still can't sort my music by column.

I'm surprised that people who wanted this feature haven't already enabled manual-sync. Is there really some benefit in having it automatically sync your device to be worth the pain of not being able to plug it in somewhere else?

I went a step further and edited the iTunes DB file's device ids so that they are the same across all 3 of my systems. So my iPhone now recognizes each as the same system allowing me to sync my music with one of my laptops and my videos with my desktop.

I could never get it to work with my iPhone, even with "manual sync". There is the possibility I was doing something wrong, but with iTunes 10 it doesn't matter at this point.

http://superuser.com/questions/9794/play-music-on-iphone-thr...

The downsides which are quite irritating depending on your listening habits are:

1. Having to manually manage all songs, which gets tiring if you constantly add new music to the library

2. None of the listening history and ratings are synced over when connecting a manually managed device. This ties in with #1: when listening to a bunch of new albums, it's helpful to preserve the ratings to make knowing what albums and tracks to trash easier later on.

That's a pretty big feature change... is that a mistake or did they somehow slip that past the record labels?

>"slip that past the record labels"

What does this feature has to do with that?

/curious

There's no technical reason to prevent people from getting music back off their devices. So the assumption is it was part of the DRM requirements that Steve Jobs claims the record labels forced him to accept.

Either (a) there were legal changes in Apple's contracts with the record labels, or (b) they might get be sued for enabling this feature.

No it's not. This is only really useful if you want to use a computer's built-in speakers to play music that's located on your iPod.

Some of us can play to remote speakers (AirPlay) which makes this more handy. I can choose what room(s) to play something in from iTunes. If someone comes over and has a new track they want to play for everyone it's now easier. Still not as easy as it should be, but nothing with the RIAA / Apple is perfect.

Note: most bizarrely, it doesn't let you enable shuffling when listening to music this way. Pink Floyd and Sgt. Pepper are delighted and partying but what about all the 80s one-hit wanders?

Wow, I guess they listened and I need to eat my hat... Or something.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1653584

This is good news!

Really? The feature's been in iTunes 9, and well, I'm a mac guy but #1 on HN?

No, it hasn't.

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