Email marketing for e-commerce
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On an average day they get a 15% open rate. Click rates and purchase rates step down at each stage depending on the purpose of the email, the offer, etc. But that is 150,000 people every day opening at least one email from one of these businesses.
While the 91% stat is probably pure fantasy, the number is far higher than anyone would want to believe. eMail simply works. It is a large and vital part of many businesses.
All of our lists are double opt-in so there is NO WAY you got on it by accident. We also aggressively clean our lists. Don't open an email in 30 days? You get automatically moved to a different funnel. Don't open an email in 90 days? Yet another funnel. 6 months? Off the list entirely. There is an entire process behind this.
We don't want to send emails to people that don't want them any more than you want to get them. Bad lists create delivery issues and get you sent into automated spam filters by providers like GMail. They aren't sent to harass you, they are sent because they work.
It's not perfect because:
- Some preview functions load images, even if the email was not actually opened, and
- Some email clients block images from loading by default, so it's possible for the user to open and read the text of the email without triggering an "open" signal.
Clicks are much more reliable signals of intent, but there's far fewer of them.
[1] https://help.mixpanel.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004690106-How...
I open a lot of email just to click that link
>It's not generally a significant effect, unsubscribe rates tend to be well under 1%. Most people just ignore emails they don't want.
under %1 is almost by definition "pathological"
1. Channel is extremely crowded. Everyone has read the same best-practices and optimization techniques. So emails from most companies (each one of them thinking that they are ‘differentiated) regress in quality and content to a mean.
2. Because it is so measurable (a marketer’s dream), this channel becomes less about what the emails say, but more about tricks to get one to open and click.
3. Excessive click optimization might erode “brand” (my conjecture). Since “brand” falls under the “soft stuff” in marketing, it gets attention as a second class citizen after one has taken care of the measurable stuff. (Defining brand as the ‘impression a word creates in your mind when you hear that word’)
4. Once a startup gives up on the ‘crutch’ of email - may be the team will think anew and innovate. Due to its measurability, my personal opinion is that companies don’t explore other channels - meaning, there isn’t a lot of invention going on.
If one visited a random saas startup and saw a day in the life of their “email marketing team”, I bet they are all roughly doing the same thing and have the same goals. I fear that no one wants to lose out on the 1% out of 1 million attention that emails are able to get - consistently and repeatably - and are thus like a drug that one can’t get off of :-) and thus companies don’t risk inventing new channels.
This is probably an ignorant rant (Eg a good counter argument would simply be - “email is popular because it works!”).
Given the number of emails I get, I do wish more companies tried more creative techniques to grab attention. (The Snapchat vending machine for spectacles comes to mind as a good attempt at innovation. I must confess I have zero knowledge of how the numbers on that approach worked)
In ecommerce, companies like brandless are doing well at getting attention without playing the standard email game (standard email game = ‘buy lists—>optimize—>$’ -> repeat).
Having said this, the advice in this article is very sensible - if someone comes to your site and didn’t complete the purchase, it doesn’t hurt to ask again. I am just raising a caution against taking email marketing for granted - esp if an entrepreneur is just starting out - presumably she can take some risk and try innovative ways of grabbing attention, than just email.
HN folks always hate on email, but compared to other channels (social in particular) the engagement is insane. Insane. 15% quoted by the guy in a thread above for example is unheard of on Twitter/FB.
And compared to paid social/paid search it's SO much cheaper once the list is built.
The quote is referring to email marketing. This seems pretty misleading. I can believe that 91% of people want to hear from some companies. But I'd bet that most people are not interested in hearing from most of the companies they do business with.
There's a simple solution to this. It's called opt-in, and it's not uncommon (although I wish it were ubiquitous). If I check a box (that is by default unchecked) saying I want marketing and promotional emails, by all means send them my way. But I abhor being automatically signed up for emails just by nature of the fact that I made an online purchase.
> Hey {{ first_name }},
"Hey" isn't a salutation I want as a customer. We aren't friends.
> We miss you.
Bullshit. This is an auto-generated email. Computers don't "miss" people.
> It's been a while since we've seen you. We know you get busy ...
Yes, and now you're interrupting my busy day
> ... but we'd love to see you again soon. In fact, come back and visit us in the next 5 days and take 15% off your order.
If you did a good job with my last purchase, I'll come back when I need something.
50/50 chance at this point that I hit the spam flag.
No you're not. You wouldn't have interrupted me if you were sorry!
But we need to understand the regular end user, the average joe, doesn't even know what a spam filter is.
His inbox fills in until he is too afraid to read mails from it, and just looks for emails with particular addresses once a month, then otherwise uses facebook.
Very few click "unsubscribe". Or even notice the checkbox at registration for accepting to received the newsletter.
They use computers very passively. Like an interactive TV with more channels. I've been workon on porn website and video streaming website long enough to learn how little tech saavy the it gets on the other side of the cable.
100% for me. If they don't do double-opt in, then they are spamming me.
Ugh, I hate this tactic. I understand why it's done - a customer is expensive to acquire, and it's cheaper to give a discount to an inactive customer than to acquire a new one. Yet it effectively rewards non-loyal customers, while loyal customers who provide a steady stream of repeat business are taken for granted. How many businesses who use this strategy also email their best customers with "Thank you for your loyalty - here's 15% off your next order within [some reasonable, non-manipulative, number of days]"?
1. Start out with an email transaction that follows up purchases done in the MVP to registered users. All that receive the emails have accounts since the MVP required it. It's not hard to setup automatic emails through code... It's hard to think of edge cases though.
2. Change in spec: more people buy if we change the UX and cut the registration.
3. Send an email to the customer. Oops - no account to unregister.
4. (This is the step that was missing) Change the code that handles emails so everyone can unsubscribe.
Sometimes it's important to get something out quick and things aren't always dark UI / UX on purpose. Users are often blaming us devs for our dark evil powers when all we did was shake out some code on a too tight deadline.
Yeah, but unfortunately companies are also really, really, really good at putting you on mailing lists/ADLs that you never, ever would have signed up for on your own.
I went to a coffee shop in Palo Alto, bought a coffee, paid by Square, found I was now on one of their Square Marketing ADLs. Never asked for it, never would have asked for it, would have said "Hell no" if I were asked. Flagged it as Spam. Seriously considering never visiting that coffee shop again, but have at the very least switched to paying by cash...
Seriously, cut the bullshit. I don't want to be signed up to your list just because I bought something. Ask me if you want me on your list - if it's something I care enough about, I'd actually be okay with it.
I have gotten lazy about looking for unsubscribe links and more aggressive about hitting"report spam" on Gmail
Yeah, sure, nevermind that there is a new list you have to unsubscribe for every month.
I never do a second buy, sometimes I have the energy to do a 1 star review for anyone that sends me mails that I couldn't avoid during the purchase.
But not marketing email.
Three years ago (before I started an ecommerce store with my girlfriend) I'd have vehemently agreed with you. It took a lot of convincing for me to even consider sending emails to our customers in the early days.
But now I realise that, like with most things in life, aftersales emails aren't inherently bad - most companies just do them poorly. With generic marketing/promotional emails or shudder the dreaded weekly/monthly newsletter...
I would now go as far as to say it's my duty to reach out to customers via email after purchase and ask them whether they are satisfied with the product and if they need any help. The way I see it, if someone has entrusted me with their money, it's my duty to make sure I fulfilled my end of the deal.
In that email, I'll also give my customers a choice of different opt-in options. From "please keep me up to date with any interesting news", through "only email me if there's an amazing deal I really need to know about for {{PRODUCT_CATEGORY}}, to the extreme "I don't wish to receive any further communication via email".
Very, very few people choose the latter - and they are almost exclusively customers who are buying a gift for someone else.
EDIT: If you're downvoting to disagree, please explain why...
As a result, the issue was promptly resolved and both me and the company are happier.
Sending me more than one email, or automatically subscribing me to some kind of newsletter I find more problematic, though.
Ha! This line was off the page when I read your post. I immediately upvoted it because (a) I agreed and (b) I knew it would be downvoted.
Scroll down one line and ta-da, I was right.
100% of this customer wants to hear from 0% of the companies with whom he does business.
Then there's this common unsubscribe strategy: "Okay, we've unsubscribed you from all messages pertaining to (some narrowly-defined topic)."
Web 2.0 killed popups and unders and overs for the most part, but these sprung back to life once Mom and Pop were told they could make money blogging and pimping other peoples' products (the new Amway or Avon).
[1] https://www.marketingsherpa.com/article/chart/how-customers-...
As a marketer, I really wish people behaved logically. If they want to get emails, they opt-in, and they don't want to, they don't opt-in. That's the pervasive belief here based on the comments I've seen so far, and that's really clean right?
However, the truth in my experience is that people don't. This black-and-white segmentation IMHO ignores a middle segment of customers who don't care that much one way or another. They are the ones who don't even see the checkbox, whether it's checked or not, they're just trying to move through a form.
If you don't have opt-in, and when you email them later, some of them do convert. When you move to opt-in, you lose your connection to those customers and your overall re-capture rates go down. You throw the baby out with the bathwater. And the increased engagement from those that are left isn't nearly enough, especially if you have a hard limit on the number of purchases at a time like I did (online financial product).
This is what I know based on the data I've seen in one business. Now if I conjecture, I think opt-in works best for businesses email is your lifeline. Think knowledge-based businesses like I will Teach You to Be Rich - if that guy didn't have email, he'd be screwed. He needs to build trust and he does that through sending you relevant, useful content. So they use opt-in to really make sure their deliverability is top-notch. Other companies have many channels of acquisition, and send so many emails, that if a few customers click spam, it sucks but it's OK.
So I don't have a great solution. I think the one that works OK is providing prominent unsubscribe options and making it really easy for customers who don't want to receive any more messages to do so. But it's not perfect - we still get spam complaints and people swearing they unsub'd 5 times and still get messages. I don't want to message people who don't want to hear from us, but you need a signal to do so.
I think this is very obviously wrong. A middle segment of customers that don't mind getting 47 spam emails per day from dozens of services they've used or businesses they've shopped with in the past (even if it was five years ago and then they just keep getting emails every week forever)? There's no way. Nobody is reading all of that worthless junk. If I didn't aggressively police my inbox from that technically theoretically legally solicited abuse spam, I'd get a thousand plus emails per month of just that. I don't believe for a second that there is anybody on the planet that enjoys that kind of email inbox abuse. Nobody wants to spend their time every day scanning over that and deleting all of it.
I personally put in a script that archives all email after 7 days. I figure if I haven't read it in that time period it's not worth while. Keeps my inbox quite small and no policing required :)
That said, I'm definitely more inclined to engage with properly-personalized emails, even knowing the tactics they employ, because they're usually helpful, or at least have had more forethought put into them.
Heck, even Amazon catches me with a review request from time to time, when I'm keen on venting my spleen.
It works, and in the general case, I definitely prefer it to "no email", because I'd prefer not to miss out on those useful interactions. Even at the cost of having to hit the "unsubscribe" button a few times.
That is, what does it take to make a person happy to receive an email from a business? Answer: only the opportunity to spend less money with that business.
It's extremely misleading to try to hijack that statistic into a generic "customers want to hear from companies" claim. Most of this article is about how to get people to spend more money, which is exactly the opposite of what people in this survey indicated.
My questions so far: 1/ ROI - how much of a difference can good EM make as opposed to bad EM or no EM? Should I not rather focus on improving my product? 2/ What is the low hanging fruit? 3/ What are some of the tools I should be using? If my payment management is in Strip, how do I integrate it with the CRM? [answer: https://stripe.com/works-with/categories/crm]
Email marketing is just one tool that's used in a specific way depending on your industry, product, and customer base.
Always focus on improving the product, but don't do this in a vacuum. You need to ask customers and potential customers and customers of competitors about their problems.
A marketing automation tool allows you to centralize marketing emails as well as transactional emails in one thing, decoupled. Your product emits events with some attributes, and the tool react to it.
Examples with "user_registered" and "user_ordered" events:
- confirmation of order (at "user_ordered")
- ask for a review (at "user_ordered" + 3 days)
- welcome process (drip emails starting at "user_registered")
- wake up campaigns (no "user_ordered" events since 1 month)
- sending a notice for a new product Z to users having bought product X or product Y (segment on users having "user_ordered" for product_id IN (product X id or product Y id))
- ... there is no limit to imagination, I love that!
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If no to any of the above, then I would just do manual outreach. Get a feel for the customers. Iterate the product. Find product-market fit. At some point you'll naturally wonder if you can scale the successful emails you're sending, and that's when email automation comes into play.
Improving your product's important, but you have keep in mind that the product is not the business, and a 10% improvement to your product likely won't have anywhere near the effect that a 10% improvement in your marketing will.
2) Sending a single welcome email with first steps that can be used as a reference, sending "trial ending" emails to remind people that their trial as running out (and offering an extension, usually), and 30-90 days after expiry emails offering a trial extension in case they got busy (happens very frequently) or asking for info why they didn't decide to go with your product. Anything above that, you want to start getting into tracking user lifecycle events and customizing your onboarding to that, and in fact, once you start doing that, you can start improving those low-hanging fruit emails as well.
3) You can use something as simple as Mailchimp to something as powerful as Salesforce. It really depends on what part of your funnel you want to focus on.
One thing people don't tend to get about email marketing before diving in is that there's no "one thing" that's email marketing. There's newsletter marketing, where you capture prospects, there's onboarding, there's "regular update" emails, there's winback emails, there's retention emails. Email's just a tool, really, and it's applicable and nearly all levels of marketing.
I've really gotten into this kind of stuff over the past few years, and if you still have questions, I'd be happy to chat with you about it. Email's in my profile.
It's a tedious task that needs regular attention and skills to ensure you're not underperforming, or identify low hanging fruits like old blog posts that are performing well and can be leveraged to get more sales or signups.
And I absolutely love spending an hour deleting a flood of auto-genetated e-mails from my inbox every month or hunting for that tiny low saturation "unsubscribe" link (which sometimes doesn't work/exist at all).
The worst offenders are the airlines and travel agencies IMO. I mean I understand getting monthly e-mails from places like amazon where there's a multitude of unrelated things to buy, but how many airplane tickets can I realistically buy?
https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0262-stopping-unsolici...
I also get many emails from legacy airlines for long haul deals and I end up getting one of them a year, I'd say it's a successful campaign, they don't expect a large amount of customers to jump on every deal, eventually one that's closer to your profile pops up
A really good re-engagement email would hone in on the relationship between you and this company, and offer help in some way. Did you buy a consumable good? Well, maybe you're running out and would like to restock. Did you sign up for a SaaS trial and the trial's nearly over? Here's a step it looks like you had difficulty with, our support number, and maybe a trial extension, so you can really evaluate.
But because the author is trying to write a super general-case email, it actually turns into something you don't want to see in your inbox.
If they want me to seriously consider their offer as an existing customer they could send me a personal discount and make me feel I'm worth something. But I rarely get discounts besides the generic ones that apply to everyone (which you can get just by visiting their website even if you've never purchased anything from them before). And the auto-generated "relaxed & casual" language just puts me off, it reeks of kitsch and disrespect.
"generalized to the point of uselessness" is a very apt description
According to our latest research, however, conventional wisdom is wrong. A vast majority of Americans (91%) do in fact want to receive promo emails.
While 86% would like to receive promo emails at least monthly, 15% would like to receive promotional emails every day.
Is my personal experience of not wanting any email promotions just way off here?
[1] https://www.marketingsherpa.com/article/chart/how-customers-...
But I think I'm the exception, not the rule, in this case.
Tbh often it does not feel like it's worth the effort, due to the sheer amount of spam you end up getting the older an email address gets, it feels like trying to shovel all the water out of the ocean with a spoon.
Are there any good resources out there as to where and how to report such actors? Does this actually help/change anything? I can't imagine there being much of a shortage of shady mail providers.
To that end, my steps are:
1. Try their unsubscribe, give them a few days for it to "take effect" (which is nonsense, but, so it goes)
2. Send a polite, but direct email to `postmaster@`, and usually cc `webmaster@` - it usually goes to somebody.
3. If none of the above works, pull the full email headers and `dig` around some to find their MX provider, and file a claim with `abuse@` on the provider.
That being said, again usually it's an ignorance problem. I have a friend who helps run a company that does escape rooms, and I had only provided my email on a release form. However a few months later, I started getting marketing spam from them to that email - oops. A lot of small companies don't understand the regs around marketing emails and treat them the same as all other emails.
But the HN crowd is a pretty interesting self-selected group of people. "You're not the target audience," as a fellow website builder used to say. And I think it's true that people who build digital products themselves might not have the same mindset about digital communications as the general public.
And email is funny in my experience... people seem to forget the emails they like to get, and preferentially remember the ones they're annoyed by.
So just out of curiosity I'd ask: do you really receive NO promo emails at all? Absolutely zero? No sales notices from Newegg or other gear sellers? Nothing from any conference you liked or are planning to attend? No airfare sales notices? No "new release" notices for software you like and use? Nothing you've intentionally opted into?
I'll give an example of a good email promo experience--I was looking to fly to New Zealand, but couldn't find a good price. A friend forwarded an sale email from Air Tahiti that had a price about half what I'd seen so far. I bought immediately.
That was a classic good promo email experience--a truly good deal, available to me before it sold out.
The only deviations to that are 2FA or receipt emails.
Pretty useful overview. Have to disagree with the above quote though - if you're running an ecommerce company and have shipped your customer a product, you absolutely don't want to wait before reaching out with a short, friendly, aftersales email asking for feedback and/or a review.
The main reason being that you want to catch any potential problems/unhappy customers early and funnel them into a private feedback channel where you can sort out their problem in private. If you wait three days to ask for feedback from an unhappy customer, that's three days where the customer is potentially writing negative reviews, sharing negative feedback on social media and just telling their friends that your company sucks.
A secondary reason is that people are nearly always most excited by their new purchase when they've just received the package. That's why you're almost 2x as likely to get someone to leave a review/share with friends if you email them on the same day the order arrives vs. a week later.
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I wish it was opt-in as opposed to opt-out. The amount of email spam and physical spam received is absolutely ridiculous. I shudder to wonder how much electricity is wasted sending unwanted mail and delivering unwanted emails.
Sounds like it'd be a win for everyone based on this guide. Those who want it would opt in, and the company could focus their campaigns for those who want it more. Meanwhile those who don't can be left alone.
> it's ticked by default and somewhat hidden above and below the ToS/EULA.
Well, yeah. The point is that it isn't really opt-in.
And that's before we get into selling your email address to 'partners' who will then really go to town to try to monetize the address.
The amount of profit some companies throw away because of some half-assed split-testing experiment is unbelievable.
I have found mautic but not much else.
I would have thought that it would have been much higher than this!