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Roskomnadzor recommended operators to block some of Amazon's IP-addresses

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43 pointsivanblagdan15 comments

The part of the context (somebody can check the primary sources):

"Unfortunately, the app is also used by terror organizations around the world when giving orders about terror attacks. This is due to the fact that it's very difficult to decode and trace these messages. Rakhmat Akilov used it during the Stockholm attack the 7th of April 2017 when five people were killed and around 150 directly or indirectly hurt, physically or psychologically. Zello was also used by Salman Abedi who killed 22 people, among whom we find many children, during a concert with the artist Ariana Grande in Manchester the 22nd of May 2017. The utilisation of this app among terror groups is described in the book "ISIS: Inside the Army of Terror" from 2015 written by the security experts Hassan Hassan and Michael Weiss."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zello

I've read the first time about

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Stockholm_attack

Internet is also used by terror organizations around the world. Money is also used by terror organizations around the world.

Moreover, oxygen and water are also used by terror organizations around the world.

You may have noticed that it is increasingly difficult to use currency or transfer funds as a result of actions to control transfers. Try taking $10,000 out and using it.

Ditto on internet controls. Remember PRISM?

That's why we're working hard to poison the water and replace the oxygen with unbreathable CO2. It's hard work, but we're getting better at it every day. Soon, terrorism will be nothing but an archaeological curiosity for visiting extraterrestrials.

Ironically Zello was also used by Russia for special operations in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine [1].

[1] random link from google: https://informnapalm.org/en/zello-terrorism-experience-russi...

What's your point there? Do you think e2e encryption should be banned altogether because it may be hard to intercept?

Physical violence is obsolete. Rioters are futile. The only way to victory over tyranny is inventing a kind of media efficient, reliable, anonymous, invisible and easy to establish enough to set information flows free without any compromises, totally or almost totally impossible to control, limit, eavesdrop or detect. I believe this is what separates the humanity from the next major level of development. The new messiah will be an engineer, physicist and/or a mathematician to invent whatever will make this possible.

What tyranny exactly?

Whatever. A theoretical one. You name it. From whatever a political angle you are watching, you can probably notice quite a number of them in the world. By definition a regime is considered a tyranny once it starts doing harder to keep the power at whatever the costs than to improve well-being of the people. In the past people could oppose peacefully or violently, today they can't. My hypothesis is that a society where anybody can easily communicate to anybody secretly at any time will become an effectively self-regulating organism making cancers of organized crime and tyranny nonviable. Special services like the NSA or Roskomnadzor say they need to be able to eavesdrop and/or block everything to fight the bad guys, I believe this probably is a mistake (or a lie - everybody just wants the One ring and fighting the darkness is just an excuse to keep it) so whatever an app they try and fail to have/block has my sympathies. Once an app or whatever emerges able to stand the ground long enough and easy enough for everybody to use we'll see.

What will Amazon do? Will they ban Zello from their network?

I would hope not. AFAICT Zello is breaking no laws in their home country, and is not breaking Amazon's TOS. Although it wouldn't be the first time I've been disappointed to see a US company bend their rules to accommodate unrealistic requests from dictatorships.

TOS can be amended. This seems more like the sort of thing you hire CloudFlare to handle, not AWS. Why does this service need to operate from "dozens of subnets"/"14 million IP addresses"?

To make it harder to block, I imagine...

I’m not sure the service has that many addresses, just that’s as far as Russia could narrow it down to block it. Otherwise they could just switch IPs and keep rolling.

Ok, but what about other Amazon-customers who serve Russia?

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