Us guys? I was not and am not a Trump supporter, but to believe collusion requires actual proof.
Right now they're just rolling up the smaller players so they can build a case against the bigger fish. All those plea deals being cut are not because Mueller has a weak hand.
Has he made any statement or indication he’s close to something significant yet? Any special counsel looking for crimes in DC is going to find plenty, but I don’t see where Trump is implicated in any of these. The leaks from the FBI have been so voluminous and the Democrat incentive to leak them I doubt they are keeping secret evidence under wraps at this point.
Nope, but I wouldn't expect that because "collusion" isn't a crime on the books.
> Any special counsel looking for crimes in DC is going to find plenty
Ken Starr spent a lot of time looking for real estate investment crimes and only turned up with an extramarital affair.
> The leaks from the FBI have been so voluminous and the Democrat incentive to leak them I doubt they are keeping secret evidence under wraps at this point.
There have been zero leaks from the SP, which is distinct from the FBI. No one, not Congress, not the President, not the FBI knows what he has.
Mueller isn’t leaking, but those around him certainly are given how much info is coming out about his intentions, indictments, and activities.
My guess is he’ll try to keep digging until he can find something, however minor or unrelated, on Trump. He’ll be looked at as a failure by so many if he doesn’t, so I get the pressure he’s under.
Now if I’m wrong, and he has secret evidence that comes to light and ends Trump, I’ll be his biggest fan. Pence is a bit scary, but like 0% chance of Republicans winning in 2020 if that happens. Seems pretty unlikely at this point though.
Mueller is not playing. Have you seen the man's bio? You think this is a game? Like he is one to bend to political pressure? From who and to what end?
Every indication points to this investigation gaining more steam as it moves along. There is no indication of any slow down. Mueller is wasting a lot of people's time for what?
What could possibly be his motivation outside of some "deep state" conspiracy that is being peddled?
A SC investigation follows evidence, and uncovers wrongdoing in the process. Sure, Mueller has a broad scope, but I doubt the events that lead to a stained dress was anywhere near the original purview of Ken Starr.
> Mueller isn’t leaking, but those around him certainly are given how much info is coming out about his intentions, indictments, and activities.
Anyone who has anything to say about Mueller's intentions, indictments, and activities is offering their own opinion. Anyone who has spoken with Mueller is free to give their account of the meeting, but that's not exactly a "leak". Mueller's team is air tight. How many knew that Papadopalous was cooperating with the SC months before his indictment dropped (which was also a surprise). How many knew Flynn would be indicted? Sure we knew he was on the radar, but that was a surprise as well. How many forecast the indictment of 13 Russian nationals?
> My guess is he’ll try to keep digging until he can find something, however minor or unrelated, on Trump.
My guess? We'll see Trump personally up for obstruction of justice, money laundering, and conspiracy against the United States.
Yes, the very first charge made public, the charge against, and guilty plea and statement of the offense by George Papadopolous are specifically about lying to investigators about his collusion and attempted collusion with Russians connected with, and whom he believed to be connected with, the Russian government, on behalf of the Trump campaign and with ongoing coordination with higher campaign officials.
Sure we don't have proof right now as it would be Top Secret if it exists, but I'm sure we will find out in due time.
I will reserve my final judgement until the special counsel investigation is completed, but it certainly seems to point towards collusion to me, or Trump has something just as big to hide (RICO).
With that ballot we were going to get 4-8 years of this garbage news pandering either way. Obama was an outlier, far cleaner than average.
The problem is, the camp of people willing to reserve judgement until we have verifiable evidence is a very exclusive club.
Respect - is this improper?
Submission - really?
Or am I misinterpreting you? Is there something verifiable that I'm overlooking? Why the particular hostility to Russia? China is a far worse country in most any respect, yet no one bats an eye. I wonder if skin color has anything to do with it.